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The phrase “free speech platform” sounds like a giant, enormous dog whistle. Which is a damn shame, because I used to enjoy that place, and now I’m not sure I will anymore… Don’t want to jump to conclusions, but is there ANY self-described “bastion of free speech on the internet” that is not a cesspool full of awful people? Just one?
I’m a white, heterosexual cis male in my 40s not living in the US, so this does not affect me in any way, shape or form directly, but it still feels just icky, unnecessary and tone-deaf. Guess I’ll post photos of my succulents and my goofy dog just on Lemmy from now on, bummer…
I think it is a dog whistle , here in India there are people who openly talk of genocide , homophobia and what not and call it their right to speech and expression !
The “funny” thing is that the moment those people have power they don’t have a problem going against free speech (see having books banned (in the US) or trying to stop people from voicing their opinion (Meloni in Italy))
It’s all just exploiting the tolerance of the system in order to make it less tolerant That’s why completely unchecked free speech is a bad idea as it will eventually lead in its complete demise
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English39•2 years ago
is there ANY self-described “bastion of free speech on the internet” that is not a cesspool full of awful people? Just one?
No, because awful people congregate wherever they are tolerated.
Why bummer? It’s a great place so far in my opinion. The people are so much friendlier here.
More good options is always a good thing.
True, Squabbles just felt better suited than Lemmy to short, no context random posts and photos. Might be all in my head though :)
I misread that as you describing your dog as succulent.
That was some awkward English, fixed it now :)
It’s all good, I think I just needed to read more slowly!
Yo dog, I gotta know. Where are you posting those succulent pics?! I’ve been missing r/Succulents since the blackout.
Mostly !succulents@midwest.social and sometimes !cactus@sh.itjust.works for cacti (hope I’m linking it correctly).
Thank you!
- Kaped ( @Kaped@lemmy.ml ) 2•2 years ago
So you’re a racist oppressor by default, got it
This seems to be the reason for the change (jayclees is the creator and admin of the site):
It’s always telling when people describe a minority as a “political movement” rather than… people
Allowing bigots just means you are one. Rip squabbles.
As a wise bartender once said, “If you allow one Nazi, you no longer have a bar. You have a Nazi bar.”
LGBT people: “We have a right to exist.”
‘Free speech absolutists’: “Ugh, take your political bullshit someplace else.”
No idea how people think this is a valid way to talk about people literally fighting for their right to simply be present in public spaces without people attacking their very being.
Grand opening, Grand closing
I guess there wasn’t enough Squabbling.
Literally why would you go to this website over Reddit. It has all the same problems and is just more boring.
“Free speech” is just a dog whistle and gas lighting now. Unless it’s fully allowing illegal content, then it’s not free speech, which is obviously sane to not allow. That’s why its a silly term to throw around in the first place.
“Free speech” is just a dog whistle and gas lighting now.
You’re not wrong, but I remember when free speech was more of a liberal issue. Freedom for artistic expression and all that. Freedom to curse in music, freedom to create and view porn etc.
How is this gas lighting though?
I don’t think people really know what gas lighting is :p.
Relatedly, whether you understand the term or not, go watch the movie Gaslight where it comes from. Great film.
I don’t necessarily agree with the use of the term in this context, but I took it to mean that it’s gaslighting in the sense that when you call it out as a dog whistle meaning “you can now be a POS on our platform”, people can respond with stuff like “Wow, so you’re anti-free speech? Do you hate America? Why do you want to censor people?” And shit like that, which is gaslighting IMO
- Kaped ( @Kaped@lemmy.ml ) 7•2 years ago
Hey lad got a license for that thought?
They also removed the admins who disagreed with this decision. Jayclees and Daniel are the only “staff” left now. This is a really bad look for them.
I wonder why of all bad things they make an exception specifically for racism and not something else like pedophilia for example.
One is illegal in every civilized country and one is not
I don’t understand what I’m looking at here? Some reddit-ish place is declaring free-speech then they immediately backpedal and say racist stuff doesn’t count, and also some admins left? So what is the material difference between a “free speech platform*” and lemmy which also doesn’t allow racist stuff?
It sounds like they’re going to be allowing anti-LGBT hate speech, which was formerly a ban-worthy offense on their platform. Reddit and most Lemmy instances have rules against this, so I imagine Squabblr is going to attract the same sort of people that like using Truth Social.
In my experience forums that allow everything else will basically attract all the trans-, queer- and homophobes, misogynists and sexists.
That’s true.
Voat any% speedrun WR (glitchless)
They’re currently at level 4 (arguably maybe level 2) of the content moderation speedrun: https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/
Next step is for them to start dealing with DMCA takedowns.
Sounds like they are going to speed run what happen with Voat.
I hope people know that us all having instances would always be better than anything centralized elsewhere. 1) I can delete all my posts if I want. 2) anyone can make a better app to talk to it. 3) we got so many different ways of sharing our free speech here, it’s not even funny. 4) you can backup your stuff. I’m not, but you can do that if you serve your own server. 5) you can establish your own rules or land on someone else’s server that you trust.
At this point you gotta be a lower form of life to conclude that going centralized is good for anyone.
We’re “free speech” except these first 4 categories we could name off the top of our heads. There will never be any reason to add to this list. Adding to that list wouldn’t be “free speech”!
And this is why federation is great.
Well, they’re being true to their namesake, I’ll give them that.
Somewhere for the Trumpers to go when Truthsocial falls on its arse.
they’ll probably go to brighteon social
I shouldn’t have clicked that. Those people need professional help.
At least they have a place they can gather, and stay away from us.
their problem is that they don’t like talking amongst themselves because they’re mostly toxic people. they want normies and liberals to harass and get bored and agitated without them.
Ah, so basically your site wants to see transphobic, homophobic, misogynist and sexist content. I see.
I joined Squabbles in June and liked it until the “free speech site” announcement.
I loved the lack of content ranking and downvoting so someone suggested Beehaw.
It seemed to me that the developer/admin jayclees was your basic tunnel visioned coder ignorant of news/current events. I got the feeling that he isn’t politically invested. He just wanted to be left alone to code, so he changed his rules taking away the justification for messaging him. Posting on the site really slowed down. It looks like he lost many of his active users and kept his lurkers. I guess he figures it is worth the price of being left alone and that he will eventually get regular active posters again.