I am confused as to whether it is acceptable to use code produced by other people for something that is related to me and my creations. Do i have to resort to coding my portfolio website with pure css and js to demonstrate my credibility and experience as a candidate employee? Does the ideology of ‘using other people’s tools to create a better product’ apply here in this context, or would it be considered plagiarism? Is there some sort of gradient as to how much i should use third party tools for my website for it be ethically appropriate, if it all?
- CodeMonkey ( @CodeMonkey@programming.dev ) 55•1 year ago
Yes, you should use third party tools (just don’t take credit for them, maybe even credit the tools used in the footer). In a real job, you would leverage third party libraries to work more efficiently, so you should do the same when showing off your skills.
- jonne ( @jonne@infosec.pub ) 27•1 year ago
Yep, someone that insists on writing everything from scratch is sort of a red flag to me. Web development is mostly about knowing how to use third party packages and building on top of that.
- intelati ( @intelati@programming.dev ) 5•1 year ago
Insists != for practice.
I’ve been mulling a “reverse engineer” for practice. But yeah, for the portfolio, you want to use the same ethos as you would use in the job
- nwithan8 ( @nwithan8@kbin.social ) 23•1 year ago
Absolutely fine.
Could you imagine if every developer recreated the wheel for every project?
- ipkpjersi ( @ipkpjersi@programming.dev ) 4•1 year ago
There are definitely companies like that out there lol, legacy tech can be horrifying.
- Deely ( @Deely@programming.dev ) 2•1 year ago
Machine codes, yes.
- amio ( @amio@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
Absolutely could! I’ve worked in a shop where that was the norm. It was not… fun.
- mamotromico ( @mamotromico@lemmy.ml ) 20•1 year ago
That would be a demonstration of your ability with said libraries/frameworks. I don’t see the issue. Unless you are talking about using just the tools with little customization, then it wouldn’t be very impressive. Still not an issue tho.
- TehPers ( @TehPers@beehaw.org ) 18•1 year ago
Naturally the answers to your questions depend on who is looking at the website, but from my experience…
Does the ideology of ‘using other people’s tools to create a better product’ apply here in this context
Yes.
or would it be considered plagiarism?
Absolutely not. It’s showing that you can incorporate the works of others to build something great rather than spend time reinventing the wheel. Nobody’s going to look at your website’s source (assuming you link to it somewhere), see a bunch of
.ts
or.jsx
files, and think “oh this person invented Typescript/React/whatever”.Should you need to reinvent Javascript, your browser, your OS, etc…? Probably not, and as long as you’re using something built by others to build your website (vscode, node.js, etc), there’s no reason to feel like using a library wouldn’t be the same. Also, for most real world projects, you’ll be using libraries you didn’t write. This is just showing that you know how to use them.
Where it would be unacceptable is if you claimed to have created those libraries/tools yourself.
- lolcatnip ( @lolcatnip@reddthat.com ) English15•1 year ago
It’s only ethical if you build the server yourself from materials found in nature.
- collegefurtrader ( @collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de ) English2•1 year ago
To program from scratch you must first create the universe
- MrTHXcertified ( @MrTHXcertified@lemmy.sdf.org ) English10•1 year ago
All of society is built upon the foundation laid by others. As long as you’re not misleading people into thinking you created something you didn’t, I don’t see any problem.
- aebrer ( @aebrer@kbin.social ) 9•1 year ago
You could have an “about this website” section that lists the tools and packages you used, and so on. If I saw that on a candidates website (a little section detailing how the page was made and crediting sources) I’d be insanely impressed. That’s the kind of person you know you can work alongside.
- amio ( @amio@kbin.social ) 9•1 year ago
Yes, of course. Just make sure you’re abiding by their license, that’ll tell anyone who cares how it may and may not be used.
- Diplomjodler ( @Diplomjodler@feddit.de ) 7•1 year ago
Do i have to resort to coding my portfolio website with pure css and js to demonstrate my credibility and experience as a candidate employee?
If you did that, I’d think you’re an idiot. Using libraries is standard practice.
- aebrer ( @aebrer@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
Unless it’s like a super minimalist web 1.0 vibe, like basically almost pure html barebones text.
- Akavire ( @Akavire@kbin.social ) 4•1 year ago
Absolutely not considered plaigarism - If i built a website using React + Material UI, that shows im capable using common industry tools. That also demonstrates (to an extent) familiarity with vanilla JS and CSS.
- kitonthenet ( @kitonthenet@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
Everyone else uses website builders for their static websites, I don’t see why I wouldn’t. On the job I would expect you not to reinvent the wheel if you don’t have to
- Paradox ( @Paradox@lemdro.id ) English3•1 year ago
Would you use them when building things for a client? If yes, then yes. No one gets mad at a carpenter for buying nails.
- ipkpjersi ( @ipkpjersi@programming.dev ) 2•1 year ago
Of course. It also shows that you know how to make use of third party libraries, which a lot of employers like to see.
but then why would they ask candidates to write functions like binary tree traversal from scratch during interviews? /s