Was just thinking about the whole situation and the internet’s response.

Nobody seems sad or remorseful, I’ve even seen tags like #compresstherich. This should be a scary omen for the wealthy, people don’t really care about, and some are actively rejoicing in, such a horrible (albiet very avoidable) death.

Edit : Just to be clear, I also don’t feel very bad for them, just commenting on how this is a clear “sign of the times” so to speak. (Edit: as in it’s a sign that the people are reaching the breaking point)

One last Edit: I’ve been reading a lot of comments and replying on some of them, I honestly just wanted some discussion on this is all. I am not actively celebrating this and I do think it’s a tragedy, especially the 19yo boy who was a victim of circumstances. But I am also conflicted and have a hard time feeling sympathy for the rich people for many of the same reasons you all have mentioned. They actively made poor choices and were in the position they were in because of taking advantage of others. I can maybe understand how some people think the way they do, as when you are abused, chained down and essentially dying from an abusive system, you tend to have nothing left inside of you but hatred and anger.

I can also concede that it’s possibly not the majority opinion, I just noticed that from all the people who have talked to or told me about this, and all the social media I’ve seen it’s been a lot more of a wide spread opinion than I was anticipating. That’s why I said it seems telling. I will also concede that it could just be general Internet shenanigans/assholery/tragedy coping.

I want a better system, and I’d prefer that it could be achieved without hatred and violence, but this situation was just telling on why I’m doubtful it will be.

  • My feeling about the whole thing was mostly indifference. I looked at those people the same way I look at people who climb Everest and die. If you do something dangerous knowing you could die, and then die doing it, that was fully your decision and I find it hard to find feelings for the situation.

    • Frankly I am surprised how much I care until I remember exactly what you said. All of these guys are risk takers and they died doing what they love. We all die and death is part of life. They all were adults and knew what they were doing. They all signed a ream of legal documents that said like 3 times they might die. This is somewhere between a noble persuit and a Darwin award for trusting the company that was offering commercial rides on a sub they chose not to certify. The legal documents clearly said that too. The CEO was on record of scoffing at such rules.

      I also find that I am a little angery that these idiots waisted our time and money trying to save them from their stupidity. That is what all these guys do. Take risks then ask us to bail them out.

    • Exactly. I don’t care that they are rich. Some people get rich by taking advantage of others, some by prudence, and most by the capitalist structure that requires a solid core moral framework to function healthily, but discourages morality and prudence.

      The reality is: some people took a risk not everyone can afford to take. I might take risks like that if I had the free cash to do it. They died, which is a condition associated with taking risks. The rest of life goes on.

  • I watched a good explanation about this yesterday, where a guy was explaining the evolutionary development of empathy and how it’s not a person to person emotion, but a person to community response with the purpose of protecting your community, to see it flourish and be healthy. Since billionaires do everything they can to distance themselves from society, they don’t belong to any community that we can relate to and so it makes empathy with them impossible. He did a much better job at explaining it, but you get the gist. They’re alien to us, so joking about a couple billionaires being crushed at the bottom of the ocean is an easy feat for most.

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    As to wanting a better system, that system must be able to handle the pressures of the current system to exist. Most revolutions lead to immediate recurrence of the original governance system, or more basic and less effective governance systems.

    The exceptions are revolutions that are the result of the inception of a new type of system. The good thing about this is that yoi face capitalism every day in every thought and action that you run across, and have ample opportunity to build up effective responses to it.

    Focus on creating a system that can actually handle the pressures of the existing systems.

  • Keep in mind too the sub appears to have been of questionable design. I said to my wife when I heard about it that carbon fiber is strong until it is not and then in can fail catastrophically. Looks like that is what happened. They appear to have fired an employee for raising these sorts of issues. So very likely there were some big cultural and management problems at the company especially around quality and safety. Lot of this was pretty apparent before this. It will be interesting what the investigation finds.

    I later found this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac. The guy goes into a lot of other issues. Maybe this is fine but the resin to metal hatch interface gives me pause too.