Some communities there are literally calling for the annihilation of Ukraine
https://programming.dev/comment/1999097
edit: Since people are either willfully or otherwose are missing my point, this is a pro-russia, pro-fascist hate group, therefore we shouldn’t give them the platform to spread their shit. this is not about me seeing their community or then causing issues accross other communities, it’s about de-platforming fascists.
Currently the stance for this instance is defederation as a last resort so everyone can participate in the coding chats. If a community on a connected instance breaks our rules the community will be removed from the instance and things such as politics communities will be hidden from the all feed once we can get that coded in since lemmy itself isnt capable of doing it very well yet (its a feature but only through the backend and painful to do in bulk)
A bunch of hexbear communities fall into the hidden in the all feed category so wont show up to people unless they explicitly look for it by searching and subscribing. Should be pushed out once I can dedicate time to coding it in and ill announce in this community when it has
So we’re gonna keep defederating instances every time a user of an instance acts crazy? Until every instance deferates from each other? This is getting absurd… and feels more and more like… high school.
It’s not a single user. The instance is a safe haven for tankies. This thread is 90% them supporting the CCP. Quite a bit of it is pretty trolly, too. I’m sure you’ll find a large number of their users support Russia over Ukraine.
The whole instance is known for brigading enmasse to shut down real discussion. They got defederated from lemmy.ca for doing this.
I said it on the exploding-heads thread and I’ll say it here too: my “all” feed would be a much nicer place without hexbear showing up in it.
Exploding-heads is just the right wing version of hexbear, literally a different flavor of the same cancer.
- willya ( @willya@lemmyf.uk ) English27•2 years ago
The better question is why can’t you moderate yourself and block what you don’t want to see? Although with the above screenshot it’s like you’re looking for it.
it showed up on my feed against my will and I dislike spreading fascism and genocide apologism.
a better question is, why are you okay with it?
How this was shown to you against your will? You had blocked it and it was shown anyway? How would lemmy know what’s every users will?
before I blocked it, obviously
So just now you have “told” lemmy what is your will. Not before
???
You told it was shown against your will, but you hadn’t stated your will to the platform
- willya ( @willya@lemmyf.uk ) English10•2 years ago
I’m not ok with it.
so what does it help if I block it? I can block it out, that doesn’t solve anything, it will still be there.
They’ll still be there even if defederated.
but not accessible from this instance.
I mean, I guess I can’t argue with that.
I mean, I have no idea why you are arguing in the first place, you are basically arguing against the de-platforming of fascists.
- willya ( @willya@lemmyf.uk ) English8•2 years ago
Some of their stuff finally hit my feed. I’ve blocked them on my instance. I take what I said back.
I mean, even if programming.dev defederates with it, it’ll still be there…
one less platform to spread
Your screenshot is of a lemmygrad users comment with only three upvotes (hexbear doesn’t have downvotes) in the hexbear “chapotraphouse” comm.
And you’re saying that it shows programming.dev should defederate with the whole instance?
As much as I think they’re at best deluded hippy kids who unashamedly gobble down Kremlin propaganda like it’s crack, as long as they’re not being a nuisance to communities hosted on your server, is there a real reason to defed?
If they start answering “How do I control an ESCPOS receipt printer through Javascript?” with “Nuke Kyiv”, then maybe do so.
Although I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
I long for the day.
Honestly I think the main reason we haven’t seen this is because the core devs are also the admins of lemmygrad, and they can predict how most users would use that feature lol
That said, I totally agree, it’s a win both for user agency, and avoiding needless defederation at the instance level
Precisely. It should be up to the community host to dictate defederation policy.
I’m onboard with not defederating but holy shit these people are shitting themselves all over the place on worldnews@lemmy.world. They’re way worse than the typical lemmygrad.ml fare.
User in OP’s screenshot is from Lemmygrad
I’m talking about my direct experiences with these people.
People should still have the right to see that content. If you don’t like it then block it but defederating deprives other who want to see it.
why should fascists be given a platform to spread their ideas?
Everyone should be allowed to be given a Platform including Fascists. If you Defederate them they get looked in there Bubble and you reaffirm their believes, meaning that there aren’t any people anymore to challenge their Believes. Which is just going to make them more extreme.
These are not people learning new ideas and sharing them. They know it’s disinformation from the jump. Their aim is to trick you into believing they are genuine.
Even then I believe that their voice should be heard. But If they begin a call for Violence or repeated offenses against the Instances rules I would defederat them.
As it looks their on their way to do that tho.
I would rather wait until they actually do smth violating the rules, then act prematurely.
So you’re one of those “marketplace of ideas” goofballs? I didn’t come here to debate idiots about West vs. East. I just want to socialize casually without seeing braindead HexBear instance takes.
They have the platform, but we shouldn’t be forced to listen.
This assumes they’d argue in good faith. They don’t
Fascist content should not be seen.
- dingleberry ( @dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 10•2 years ago
You want this to become Voat?
defederating deprives other who want to see it.
No, it doesn’t. Go to hexbear.net and you can see it.
This is likely the only thread on programming.dev that will attract them. They don’t have much cause for class war here.
Subclasses rise up! No longer will we tolerate the tyranny of the superclass!
We shall inherit EVERYTHING!
Just to be fair, that user isn’t even a hexbear member.
well if you read the comments, they are all saying it, this user is the only one spelling it out literally.
They have hundreds, if not thousands, of members all along a spectrum of leftist belief. Wild that they all were saying that, yet the comment only got 3 upvotes.
With every post I stumble upon about defederating with hexbear, I just feel more and more radicalized.
then you are a prime example of why de federation should happen, these are not leftists, these are misguided tankies at best, fascist shills in disguise in reality, down to the fact of them discovering this “new truth” (excellent video here btw https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g)
these are leftists the same way Nazis were socialist, North Korea is democratic and China/Russia were communist.
Russia is ruled by fascists, there is a reason both Orbán and the GOP are big fans of Putin.
how can you call them leftists while they shill russian propaganda? they all but come out and straight up say that Ukraine should be left alone to lose the war and be conquered?
Man, I can’t even make up my own mind, now. What’s wrong with me?
It’s full of very good programmers who could contribute even if you don’t agree with their politics?
are you doing a “There are good people on both sides” thing?
Uh, good programmers are not necessarily good people? Think we all ought to be able to agree on that… But if you really think hexbear users are comparable to far right extremists then your politics are detestable and my credence in you also being a bad person goes way up, although you might still be worth intereacting with wrt programming topics idk
ı wish users can block instances on their side.
Because there are a lot of tankie apologists elsewhere. That or those free speech absolutists type that think deplatforming fascists and bigots is censorship and cancel culture or some such nonsense like that.
kbin allows you to filter instances
You can filter them out with ublock origin on desktop and Sync for mobile. It’s the easiest way to get rid of Hexbear for you outside of migrating to a new instance, and it’s a lot easier than trying to get your instance admins to defederate
you should probably read my whole post definitely the edit part, also Lemmy has built in functionality to block communites you don’t need ublock.
