They have approximately now lost over 5000 subscribers which equates to about $25000 per month or $300000 per year in lost revenue.
As a bystander just here for the popcorn and drama, would someone mind explaining what Floatplane is and how it pertains to LTT and LMG?
Floatplane is the video hosting service that they created and own. Instead of being ad supported it requires a monthly fee for each content creator on it (in the vein of only fans or patreon). So a loss of subs is a direct loss of monthly income for LTT.
Looks like their attempt at a video streaming app, separate from youtube.
Is it just them on the service? I don’t see the appeal over Nebula
It is not. It also has a lot of the not political gun youtubers on it, as wrll as various other hobby interests.
Is youtube cracking down on gun channels or something? Wouldnt shock me.
Youtube is being an ass about guns specifically. They had vague rules about assembly instructions including not being allowed to show someone screwing in a suppressor. Then they did the typical google thing and offerred no discussion or recourse options for talking about the rules to any of the youtubers. Essentially, fuck you, you do what you’re told type of deal. It was enough that all the gun youtubers had legitimate worries about their job security in the short and longterm future. They’ve since walked back that specific rule, but there are still a lot of other rules restricting what kind of gun related content is actually allowed. And all the channel owners know that google can and will cut their gun content on a whim without forewarning or talking about it.
You also see this with their rules about swearing in videos. Whatever makes the advertisors happiest apparently.
That’s hilarious and complete shit.
Screwing on a suppressor?!
YouTube: NO OPENING A BOTTLE ON VIJIA
Being a creator would be so difficult nowadays with how careful you have to be to avoid their shitty unwritten rules.
I think Gun Jesus over at Forgotten Weapons has spoken about this on a couple of his Q&A videos.
I mention the silencer thing because attaching one to a gun is literally screwing it in - every hollywood movie that includes a silencer has this specific scene in it, and so did all of the gun youtubers. Google never told anyone if these rules were for going forward or if their old content would get called out for it too, and so there was lrgit worries about finding a channel ban for videos uploaded ten years ago.
DankPods also has quite a few channels on there and does his drum streams there too. I wonder if people subscribed to non-LMG channels are unsubbing, figured Floatplane’s attachment to LMG might cause collateral damage to creators only related through the service they’re using.
Is there any way to see that? I clicked around their site and couldn’t find a list of what to expect, Nebula has creators on their home page
I have no idea. I learned this from the not political gun youtubers and various other hobby interest channels telling me they had a floatplane account set up.
I hate Floatplane being tied to LMG right now. The concept of floatplane is great and a competitor to YouTube is much needed
I’ve been enjoying Nebula as a creator-owned YouTube alternative. I don’t like all the creators there (a bit too “BreadTube” for my tastes), but there are plenty of creators that I do like. They have some decent bundles too.
Yea YouTube desperately needs some legitimate competition
It’s not likely to ever happen. The business model just isn’t sustainable by itself. The costs are through the roof, and ads don’t pay enough to pay for it and pay creators. Any competitor would be far more restricted on who and what can be uploaded.
Definitely, I don’t see another platform popping up where anyone can upload basically unlimited amounts of anything. It’s kinda insane that Google even allows that still haha
But Floatplane is at least a high-quality platform that sufficiently supports creators without ads (subscription instead)
Good, hopefully more follow. Floatplane subs have to be LMG’s most loyal audience. This is kinda surprising considering the amount of LMG apologists in reddit & LTT forums. Their level of shilling for a company is kinda unreal.
Also fuck LMG’s “investigation.” Seems like just some diversion that will result in “we found no evidence of anything” and to say they did something. Typical corporate BS.
Everything Madison said has been corroborated by another ex-employee, it aligns with her glassdoor review of last year, aligns with other anonymous employee coming forward exposing LMG’s toxic culture, and it’s supported by other bits and pieces of recordings. None of these parties are profiting by coming forward, on the contrary they are exposing themselves to the cult that is LMG’s fanbase (which drove a kid and his mom to suicide before).
Unless LMG comes up with damning evidence proving everything wrong then anyone with half a brain will see through their bullshit.
I’m condemning LMG like the next guy, but it would be good to reserve judgement until after the reports are published, at which point we can assess whether the investigation was done impartially or was biased and tampered with. The reality is, we just don’t have any evidence for either side, aside from testimonials. I’m interested in seeing what comes out of the investigation and will raise hell if the investigation is not properly conducted.
Those people can simply resubscribe if LTT is exonerated so it’s not like it’s a death sentence.
(which drove a kid and his mom to suicide before)
Wait, what? Do you have a link to anything about this?
Maybe it was his dad, not entirely sure, but it was real. You can see linus comment on the post from the kids parent:
https://old.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you_destroyed_my_life/
From what I know the kid had a YT channel, and their parent bought a silver YT play button from the NCIX auction years ago. Linus wanted the button back and they refused. Basement dwellers and bootlickers then proceeded to harass the kid in every way possible contributing to their suicide (and their parent’s suicide).
Was the Mindchop channel about video games? If so I recall watching a video about the NCIX auctions. I recall the mission being to buy back the youtube play button from Linus’ early days there.
I was watching due to the local uproar in the media of all of the customer data on the servers being sold to the highest bidder at the time. Being a former customer of NCIX for my personal system builds I wasn’t excited about this.
I thought this guy was an adult if it is the same thing I was thinking about. It was spun as the guy built a cool smaller channel and couldn’t get his play button for reasons I didn’t understand and at the time of the video Linus decided the guy should have it as his channel was pretty cool. Since I wasn’t a rabid LTT viewer I never saw anything more about it and honestly I probably didn’t see another LTT video for a while after that.
I suspect that if this destroys the company, Linus will turn into one of those raging conspiratorial lunatics who blames society for his failures. I always thought he was a level headed dude, but some of the stuff coming makes me think he’s more of a Scott Adams type deep down.
Given how much of his investment has gone into creating LMG, Floatplane, etc, I can certainly see that happening. Even the most level headed person in the world will have a point in which a switch in their minds would flip.
I know a few people who were never the same after the dot-com crash, and most recently with the crypto crash. Such a loss (whether of their own making or external impact) will cause even the most sane person to be delusional and senile.
I’m willing to put money that if LMG goes to the ground, we will see a person potentially beyond repair, possibly with a destroyed family, given that it’s both him and his wife as the primary investors. I really hope their kids come out unaffected.
It’s just sad all around.
Cancelled mine and deleted my account.
To be honest, based on what I’ve seen from floatplane subscriber comments its people leaving because of the content pause.
Any negative comment is immediately disliked to oblivion
I.e.:
Vs
I feel these graphs tell a different story:
IMHO The people who really cared have left, the one who are on the verge are mainly waiting and the one actively participating with votes are the core fans.
The source is Reddit from user nicePenguin, here’s an archived version (Link), they put up a site too at http://fp-stats.buzz , I’m not sure about the overall accuracy, but it doesn’t seem wrong at first glance.
Yeah thats a good point, to be honest it looks like its mostly levelled off and they haven’t lost more than the people who joined after feeling bad for them bc of the hack.
Personally, I’d be willing to bet most of the people they lost are the ones who most recently joined if their only reason for joining was feeling bad for them? Therefore not the hardcore stans
Well floatplane is where the hardcore stans lives… The chamber doesn’t just echo there, it reverbs.
What’s the updated figure?
There is a live counter
Question, what is the source of that live counter???
Seeing that this is a grafana dashboard, probably a scraper with a floatplane account requesting the sub-count every X minutes/seconds.