My laptop is getting old and i can’t have Element eat up half of my RAM. There are many more clients out there but which one is good? aka "the best? ;-)
My requirements: lightweight, encryption 100% supported, active development/community. runs neatly 24/7 in the background.
Should also support the latest features, let me customize when to get notifications: priorities / muted chatrooms. And ideally also look clean and run on the Pinephone. But that’s optional.
I don’t care which desktop environment or cli.
What do you use?
Have you tried Nheko? I switched to XMPP some time ago, but when I used matrix Nheko was my goto. Also gomuks is another choice, runs in terminal
Why the switch to XMPP btw?
Better native client support for the most part, but xmpp servers also show themselves better (faster, more stable…) than matrix.org I think more matrix users should consider using smaller instances tbh
I think more matrix users should consider using smaller instances tbh
Matrix on smaller instances suck because of how bad the protocol is. It “re-plays” the entire history of the channel on first join because channels need to be consistent between all instances because Matrix isn’t just a mediocre chat protocol but a generic data protocol that’s been beaten into the shape of a mediocre chat protocol.
It tries contacting every instance in a channel for their keys. Even the dead ones. And yes it takes exactly as long as you think it does for them to time out. Dendrite solves this by asking matrix.org for everyone else’s keys by default.
But because channels are completely synchronized at least you get to easily migrate channels between instances just by assigning an alias and telling people use the alias to join instead.
Woah, didn’t know that! I remember searching for older messages in Matrix be really bad. I only use IM software for 1to1 conversations, so I probably don’t know the worst of the protocol.
Dendrite solves this by asking matrix.org for everyone else’s keys by default.
Sounds a bit too centralized for me
Sounds a bit too centralized for me
You can turn it off however that makes join times to any channel with history (say… the dendrite release announcements channel for example) unbearably slow to join.
Thanks for sharing, I’ll check out XMPP too - last time I checked was 10 years ago :D probably a lot has changed
I look forward to the day that Synapse is deprecated in favor of Dendrite or Conduit.
i am currently testing https://iamb.chat/ it’s a bit unique in how it does things but promising of you’re into TUI and vim
If you are an Emacs user, then I suggest you try out Ement.el!
Emacs is such a weird Texteditor i must say.
At this point, it would be insane to classify it as a text editor only. I personally refer to it as the “Emacs distribution”; a distribution that happens to have its own integrated text editor and other useful tools. But a more accurate description is, Emacs is an e-lisp interpreter and because of this it’s a very extensible tool!
neochat has been my go to
There is a desktop Fluffychat client written in Flutter I believe.
Don’t know about the options you need, I just use it on my laptop because it isn’t element.
Try gomuks. It’s cli written in go. Highly configurable and if your terminal supports images, it’ll show them too.
This client is cool! Thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks. I’m halfway through installing all of you people’s recommendations. I’m a bit disappointed in the way encryption is handled in matrix. I’m again running into issues. gomuks gives me its fingerprint but element doesn’t do that kind of verification any more. Guess I have to try more client until I find one that combines all kinds of verifications and I can get encryption set up and connected between them.
There’s matrix-cli, but i don’t know anything about it.
I don’t think it will meet all your requirements (besides being light-weight), but I’ve been using weechat-matrix for a week and it’s been fine. Without this, I wouldn’t use matrix at all.
Cinny on the desktop.
for the curious, how much RAM do you have?
8GB on my laptop but shared with a modern browser with 500 tabs open, an editor(/IDE), mail-client and whatever gnome likes to waste resources on (gnome-shell, gnome-software in the background etc). that accumulates to a bit less than 5GB. Plus whatever i currently need open to work on. And a computer needs a bit spare to buffer/cache things.
The pinephone has 3GB of RAM.
It’s not nothing. But also not enough to have every other application written in Flutter.
Sounds like matrix client should be the least of your concerns actually. My RAM usage rarely goes beyond 2gb with xfce and firefox. Switching to NetSurf like above comment pointed out is a bit of overreaction actually, Firefox with Ublock Origin and a handful of tabs open will do just well
The matrix website has an extensive list of matrix clients out there. Idk why this question is still asked when the answer is very easily found.
Two of the top answers here are missing from that list and, to be frank, that list does not really contain any useful information. For example, where do I see on that list which clients can display images?
You just click on the links and go to their pages… This is literally such little effort dude.
I was specifically asking for recommendations by actual humans. I didn’t write a lengthy essay about all of my previous life but I’m pretty aware of that list and even tried several clients but never found anything I fell in love with.
You sometimes simply (and politely) ask other people. And you learn. The main benefits are: You get real-world info. There are several clients out there that are only good ‘in theory’ but are lacking in every day use. And second, if you get the answer that everyone is happy with something and you’re the only one with a certain problem, you get to learn that you do something wrong or have a weird use-case.
You don’t get that info from that list. And how would I even do this? Start a spreadsheet with the 19 mentioned clients, have 20 features I need and go through the source code to see what’s implemented for every client that hasn’t a proper list on their github Readme? How long would that take me? And then install all the 20 clients and measure their resource usage or infer it from the programming language/framework? No, no. Sometimes asking people is just the way. And word-of-mouth is exceptionally good when you’re directly speaking with people and recommending them some distro or good piece of software out of the hundreds of possible choices.
I’m sorry for being a bit rude myself. My main point was just to explain myself.