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wjs018 ( wjs018@lemmy.ml )  to Technology@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago

[Opinion] Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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[Opinion] Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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wjs018 ( wjs018@lemmy.ml )  to Technology@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago
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Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron
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    The only thing holding me back from diving headlong into Linux is gaming support. I’ve been a windows user since W98. XP was the shit, 7 was rock solid, ten was pretty good, but it seems like Microsoft is dead set on speedrunning enshittification with 11.

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      Gaming support on Linux is the best it has ever been. Other than select games, nearly everything works now. It’s mostly competitive multiplayer games that don’t work because it’s the kernel anticheat that is the issue. Notably, Call of Duty and Destiny 2 don’t work. Halo does 100% work now, which is awesome. But if you mostly play single player games, you are probably totally fine.

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      True. Gaming is extremely awesome on Linux compared to a few years ago right now, though. Anti-cheat holding you back?

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        Everything on steam works except modern anti chat games.

        If i knew it was this good… Woulda jumped sooner

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          Er, what’s a modern anti chat game

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            It’s a typo, should be anti cheat.

            You can chat away to your heart’s content.

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            Call of Duty: Modern Warfare for example runs Ricochet Anti-Cheat on kernel level which fundamentally contradicts Linux architecture and will never run.

            Easy Anti-Cheat is an example where the devs gave in paving the way to a proton addon which allows you to play Apex, for example.

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            A modern game with anti cheat software.

      • conditional_soup ( conditional_soup@lemm.ee ) 
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        No, I’m not big for online gaming, just heard that not all games that work on PC work on Linux, and I’m not sure about the status of various emulators that I use.

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          Check out Protondb, it’s not only for the steamdeck, but (probably) all Linux derivates. You can sync your steam library to see, what works and how well.

        • interolivary ( interolivary@beehaw.org ) 
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          I’ve got a Steam Deck which is essentially a portable Linux machine, and I’ve been positively surprised by how well every game I throw at it has worked (even the ones that aren’t officially verified to work on the Deck). Of course it’s an underpowered system compared to desktops, but Proton - the not-emulation system based on Wine - is absolutely terrific, and it can be used on other Linux OSs than just SteamOS. I’d recommend giving Linux a go on a separate partition, you might find that your games run pretty much out of the box as long as you have Proton installed

        • Tippon ( Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          I’m running Windows 10 and Linux Mint on my PC. I booted into Mint earlier this week, and out of my 189 (mostly older) Steam games, 186 work with no tweaks. It’s definitely worth looking at :)

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          I regularly watch stuff about Steam Deck on YouTube and they’re always emulating just about everything. I don’t know anything about the subject but it seems to me it works pretty well on Linux.

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      The only games that don’t work with a Linux solution are games that the developers have purposely done something that makes it not work.

      Check out https://www.protondb.com/ Some games might require a little tinkering. The Vulkan api will win the graphics war because Microsoft hasn’t done much with DirectX and DX12 is not doing very well supporting the features it claims it can while being difficult to program. It’s only a matter of time before Windows loses it’s hold on the desktop. And Microsoft doesn’t seem to really care. They make their API for Azure work with Linux.

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        VR gaming is also shit on Linux. Mostly because it (similarly to Linux gaming in general) adds a layer of complexity and oddness you sometimes need to fix or debug… When you layer these kind of things the issues and complexity tend to multiply.

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      I highly recommend you try Linux gaming, it’s still not perfect, but has massively improved in the last few years.

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      They need to make sure users will have a good reason to upgrade to Windows 12.

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          Just because a new Windows version is available doesn’t mean that Windows users will upgrade. My work computer is Windows, but I have still not touched Windows 11 at all to this day. But if the latest Windows is far better than the other available versions, then users and enterprises will likely want to upgrade.

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              Through their OEM deals, you’ll have a hard time finding a new computer with anything other than 11

              So true. Just a reminder that alternatives exist the next time someone tries to recommend a Thinkpad or Dell:

              • Starlabs
              • System 76
              • Framework
              • Malibal
              • Tuxedo
              • Purism
            • Saik0 ( Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com ) 
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              Through their OEM deals, you’ll have a hard time finding a new computer with anything other than 11

              My HP came with FreeDOS.

              https://blog.tmm.cx/2022/05/15/the-very-weird-hewlett-packard-freedos-option/ is a good read on what this option really is. It’s clear that the intent on HPs part is to give you an option to buy the laptop without Windows garbage on it. Even if it’s a bit janky on it’s own.

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