ConstableJelly ( @ConstableJelly@beehaw.org ) 12•10 months agoFor those who have only seen the headline:
Nearly three months into the counteroffensive, the Ukrainians may be taking the advice to heart, especially as casualties continue to mount and Russia still holds an edge in troops and equipment.
U.S. assessed Ukraine’s counteroffensive strategy and made recommendations, and now Ukraine is adjusting its strategy accordingly. The headline makes it sound like an endemic issue. Some analysts think it’s too little too late, but I wish them the best.
lntl ( @lntl@lemmy.ml ) 4•10 months agoWhy is NATO helping these guys if they can’t get their shit together?
- shiveyarbles ( @shiveyarbles@beehaw.org ) 9•10 months ago
Because it’s the right thing to do. Because they’re getting invaded by a fascist dictatorship.
sunbeam60 ( @sunbeam60@lemmy.one ) 8•10 months agoAsk yourself what the alternative is and what a successful outcome for Russia will enable for Putin! Then ask yourself what that means for Europe. Finally ask yourself what upheaval of a European market will do to an American economy and America’s ability to make its influence felt across the world.
Helping Ukraine is far cheaper.
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 2•10 months ago
You can finance this slaughter yourself, thank you very much.
sunbeam60 ( @sunbeam60@lemmy.one ) 5•10 months agoI don’t know which country you think I’m from, but all the countries I have a citizenship in are financing Ukraine plenty.
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 1•10 months ago
I know, mine as well, which is a total shame!
Honytawk ( @Honytawk@lemmy.zip ) 3•10 months agoYou can finance this slaughter right now, or you can finance your own slaughter later.
Your choice.
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 1•10 months ago
Indeed, but I would much rather finance the other side…
keeb420 ( @keeb420@kbin.social ) 8•10 months agowhy is nato helping a country fight russia?
lntl ( @lntl@lemmy.ml ) 1•10 months agoExactly!
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 4•10 months ago
It’s not ‘helping’, it’s using generations of Ukrainian men for draining Russian resources and manpower. US provoked this war and they want to prolong it as much as possible because it drains Russia and the EU.
keeb420 ( @keeb420@kbin.social ) 6•10 months agoor it couldve been russia being such a shitty neighbor that ukrainians are tired of dealing with them. so ukraine has a revolution and turns westward.
who could figure out why when the country was being looted by putins puppet. or russia invades its neighbors many times before 2014 and 2022. why wouldnt they want to be another vassal state to russia again?
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 1•10 months ago
Would US cheerily let Mexico or Canada join e.g. Warsaw pact or present-day CSTO? I sure as hell believe they would intervene militarily. Look at what happened during the Cubon missile crisis. It puts the westoid rambling about ‘crazy Russia’ in a proper perspective, doesn’t it?
keeb420 ( @keeb420@kbin.social ) 3•10 months agowe wouldnt put them in a position to consider it. were all too reliant on each other.
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 1•10 months ago
That’s what Russia and Ukraine thought, until US started to interfere. It took them 20+ years to finally ignite the war.
keeb420 ( @keeb420@kbin.social ) 6•10 months agoright. so thats why russia invaded to “denazify” ukraine. sure buddy.
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 1•10 months ago
Kiev regime is openly nazi by promoting banderism and nazi ideology. They even have nazi insignia (wolfsangel) used for official military units. Not to mention nazi insignia running rampant in all sorts of units and even swastikas and balkenkreuzes on military vehicles and such.
- mihor ( @mihor@lemmy.ml ) 3•10 months ago
So ‘Bahmut holds’ wasn’t a viable strategy after all???
lilcreacher ( @lilcreacher@literature.cafe ) 3•10 months agoI think its definitely too early to say whether or not any particular element of either Russia or Ukraine’s strategy in the war has been ‘viable’ at this point in time. The ultimate long-term effects of either side’s major strategic decisions are probably difficult to understand right now even for the ones who have been making them, let alone for outside observers such as ourselves.
We can at least acknowledge that Bakhmut was the culminating point of Russian offensive operations in the Donbas. Would it have been the culminating point of their offensive if Ukrainians didn’t defend it so fiercely? Who can say. Both Russian and Ukrainian forces were heavily attrited in the battle there - will this benefit Russia or Ukraine more? Who can say. There are ‘conventional wisdom’ answers to both of these questions, but the nature of the fog of war is such that even small, seemingly unrelated developments can drastically alter the valence of what was previously established as strategically advantageous for one side or vice versa.
Even when institutions dedicated to the study of warfare attempt to analyze utilized strategy X versus counterfactual strategy Y from some episode of military history, the debates are often unending. So can’t you see how cringe it is to claim as a layman that it should’ve been obvious to a given commander (and at runtime, too, despite the fact that you’re making the criticism with the benefit of hindsight) that strategy Z would have been clearly superior to whatever it was they thought was best, back then?
GnuLinuxDude ( @GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml ) 1•10 months agoCan’t help but remember this article at this moment. And most moments. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/