So you are saying there is a house on the market now?
Dark.
This has real Seinfeld vibes…
Friends literally had an episode like this.
“what’s the rent??”
On the flip side, transplant given to person who follows medical advice
She did several people a solid over the course of her senseless battle for the hill that she died on.
Bet she wasn’t an organ doner though.
Step 2: find out
She died rather than accepting a free to her, safe, and effective vaccine.
What do you mean I have to stop drinking gin if I want a liver transplant?
Patient dies because she didn’t follow doctor’s advice.
I had a double lung transplant 6 years ago. You have to be EXTREMELY compliant to even get put on the list.
So many meds and tests and shit stuff you need to follow EXACTLY, every 12 hours, every day, for the rest of your life.
If you refuse a vaccine you’re never going to care for your new lungs. It’s not easy.
Nope. That’s why the courts allow transplant coordinators to require that you be vaccinated. This vaccine was so incredibly safe that it’s ridiculous that she chose to die rather than getting it. I mean, literally the worst thing that could have happened to her because she got the vaccine happened to her because she didn’t get the vaccine.
This vaccine was so incredibly safe that it’s ridiculous that she chose to die rather than getting it.
Unlike the transplant meds. Pretty large increase for cancer from them.
Seems weird to refuse a COVID vaccine, but be fine swallowing a ton of meds every 12 hours that increases your risk of cancer significantly.
Obviously me and many others accept that increased risk, because like you said, the other outcome is just dying straight up.
In the end I’m glad the organ went to someone else who will respect and appreciate it.
I have a background in chemistry. Early in the pandemic when all the anti-vax nonsense was at its peak I took a look at the ingredients in the three main vaccines in Canada (A-Z, M, and P). For the most part they all included:
mRNA which we all have in our bodies all the time
4 salts of which one was table salt
4 fats of which one was cholesterol
and sugar.
That’s it.
While I do agree the vaccines are safe enough, saying “mRNA which we all have in our bodies all the time” is a bit misleading. The number of ways an mRNA strand could mess you up is astronomical.
It is not misleading at all. Every single cell in our bodies contains mRNA at all times.
What are these ways that mRNA could mess you up of which you speak?
Every single cell in our bodies contains mRNA at all times.
That’s like saying computer viruses are fine because they’re made of code, which computers are already full of.
We’re full of mRNA, sure, but we’re full of mRNA that’s supposed to be there.
What are these ways that mRNA could mess you up of which you speak?
I’m no biologist, but perhaps mRNA that creates a prion?
Sure, mRNA could be created to create a prion but the mRNA in the vaccine does not. It creates a small fragment of protein similar to a trans-membrane protein on the covid virus.
I assumed that you had concrete information to share no just wild anti-vax fear mongering.
Cool, guess my pancake breakfast works then. I’ve already got the mRNA and the breakfast takes care of the rest!
K
Highlighting her fundamental lack of critical thinking skills.
Fact is, there’s more people in need of transplants and simply not enough viable organs to go around.
I’m not going to fault the transplant committee for denying someone over a vaccine. Simply, why give this very finite and very precious resource to someone when they’re just going to go get themselves unalived over something as dumb as a 100% preventable disease or something just because they have a brain malfunction that makes them think vaccines are bad. Especially when so many other people are literally dying without the same organs, who are more than happy to follow doctors instructions to ensure they can live a long and prosperous life with the replacement they desperately need.
It’s all rather silly.
The thing that probably bothers me the most about organ transplants in general is that if cloning research and stem cell research was allowed to proceed properly, it’s entirely possible that science could find a way to grow you a replacement of your own organs… Apart from genetic problems causing organs to fail, it would almost completely eliminate the entire demand for organs. But no, some idiots don’t want cloning because it upsets their imaginary friend.
On a related note, go fill out your donor card people. Even if you’re one of those “nobody will want my organs” type of people, do it anyways. The transplant people will figure out if your organs are viable when you no longer need them anymore. Let them figure that shit out for you. Just check the box to be a donor and don’t think about it any further.
On a related note, go fill out your donor card people. Even if you’re one of those “nobody will want my organs” type of people, do it anyways. The transplant people will figure out if your organs are viable when you no longer need them anymore. Let them figure that shit out for you. Just check the box to be a donor and don’t think about it any further.
and the stupid rumour about “the doctors will kill me to save 8 others” is bullshit. I am glad my donor signed. His wife said she didn’t want him to, but seeing me live because of his selflessness made her reconsider, and she tells everyone to be a donor.
That rumor flies in the face of the first rule doctors vow to uphold “do no harm”.
IDK about you, but killing someone for their organs is pretty damn harmful for the individual “donating” their organs.
It’s a different story if you’re braindead or hurt to the point of being capable of recovering at all, even with all of the modern science and medicine that is available.
Don’t just put it on your license either. In many places that isn’t legally binding. Have a conversation with your partner/children/parents who are going to have legal authority over your body while brain dead and tell them you want to be a donor.
How’s life as an immunocompromised person in the last few years?
Better the organ saved the life of a non-moron.
True dat.
Language will evolve naturally over time. But to claim that hoping your children are intelligent/physically healthy is a form of eugenics is absurd. If QAnon was left-leaning, this is the kind of shit they would say.
Oh shut up already.
no, you.
no u
“Taking this vaccine offends my conscience. I ought to have the choice about what goes into my body, and a lifesaving treatment cannot be denied to me because I chose not to take an experimental treatment for a condition — COVID-19 — which I do not have and which I may never have,” Lewis said in an affidavit.
I guess she died with a clear conscious. 🙄
Seriously though, taking an organ from the waitlist and then inevitably getting COVID while immunocompromised is … not very cool… for the next person on the waitlist.
I wonder if she did die with a clear conscience considering she withdrew the money donated at her fundraiser (which I find hilarious that they have a “send prayers” button on the page) so that she could live. They said in an earlier update that they expect everyone to be fair minded and not request a refund, but people can reach out for a refund. Very manipulative. Also, she didn’t leave a will and the funds are “unfortunately” locked while they figure out her estate. The whole thing is worth a read, if you don’t mind puking a little in your mouth.
Ugh. $125k to get an organ transplant in the US without the vaccine. Also, the stupid tweet speculating that vaccines aren’t required to donate organs. Nope, they absolutely aren’t. Idiots. Imbeciles. Morons. It’s absolutely infuriating that people can be so willingly ignorant.
Sure, hospitals willing and able to do organ transplants are rare, but that’s because organs to transplant are exceptionally rare. Other than kidney donations, and I think liver (IIRC), all organ transplants require someone to die, and to die under pretty controlled conditions so that their organs are still in a usable condition. For every organ transplant that occurs, there are a dozen others that die waiting.
To give this woman an organ transplant is to deny someone else an organ transplant. The question is not whether she should get an organ transplant despite not taking every reasonable measure to increase the odds of that organ contributing to a longer and healthier life; but rather who else dies if she doesn’t want to take every reasonable measure.
The fundamental calculus of organ donation is not everyone who needs one will get one. Who will benefit the most? This is absolutely the practical application of those philosophical paradoxes where you are asked to pick which life to save under various circumstances.
Her whole case reeks of the entitlement that oozes from the Convoy protesters. I shouldn’t be inconvenienced, I shouldn’t have to compromise to help others. I should get to live, screw everyone else.
I have a friend who got a lung transplant around 10 years ago. It’s a little unnerving how bloodthirsty I got whenever I saw an aggressive motorcycle driver. “I hope they are an organ donor” became my new curse. I wasn’t exactly wishing death upon people, but it was sobering to feel how mixed my feelings became knowing a friend was waiting for an organ donation.
The inverse of this story of this woman dying is the story of everyone who skipped past her in line. One of those organs could have been hers. I’d like to hear stories about people whose lives were saved.
Overall I agree. While every death is a tragedy, the reality is that if someone is denied a compatible organ, it means that there was someone who received it and was willing to go through more effort to ensure that they would survive the operation long term.
COVID still exists, and it is still running rampant through the world, and it is still a legitimate threat to those with weakened immune systems, something that all organ recipients are.
This is virtually the same as someone being denied a lung transplant because the refused to quit smoking. Someone died to give you that lung, and so if you’re not going to treat it with respect, you don’t deserve it as much as someone who will.
That said, the numbers for transplants I’ve found are a lot more positive than I had expected: Organ transplants in Canada, 2021: Donations and need. That said, most organ transplants are from the deceased, and of those, a significant percentage were from Ontario and BC (adjusted for population) interestingly enough.
Though with that said as well, in 2022 80% of donations were from the deceased, 52% were from family members, and compared to 2936 transplants, there were an additional 3777 people on the wait list. 701 Canadians were removed from the wait list that same year, 39% of whom had died while waiting. (https://www.cihi.ca/en/summary-statistics-on-organ-transplants-wait-lists-and-donors)
The numbers are pretty uplifting overall, but until we can commercially grow organs (either in a vat or a donor pig) we need to take care of donated organs and maximize their value by preferentially giving them to those who are most likely to survive receiving them in the long term.
Took myself off the organ donor list over this shit
You weren’t on the organ donor list.
False
They don’t give organs to alcoholics who don’t stop drinking either.
Good luck getting a heart of you refuse to quit eating a hamburger an hour.
Look, you have to pass a baseline level of taking care of yourself to qualify for an organ, and vaccinations are the bottom, base level first line of defense.
Yup.
I can’t understand this. She was fine retaking the childhood vaccines but the one for COVID. What kind of misinformation led her to believe that?
It became a matter of political identity. Rejecting Covid, the science, the vaccine, and the reasonable public health measures became more important to them that life itself.
I wonder if the global average IQ went up or down as a result of COVID?
Even mild covid appears to sometimes cause permanent cognitive damage so I doubt it.
Definitely up.
Don’t forget that autism anti vaccine movement was fueled by fairly intelligent well educated people who were tricked by one flawed study. We shouldn’t assume people are stupid if they’re anti vaccines.
Actually, it wasn’t a “flawed study”, it was an outright fraud. The doctor responsible lost his medical license, but not quickly enough.
After I got the first dose of a covid vaccine, Astra-Zeneca, I posted on Facebook that I had gotten the vaccine and now have the autism. My friend who is autistic replied and said, “You had the autism before you got the vaccine!”
Oh. Right.
I’m Candian so I’m, OG A-Z M P P Omicron PBiV so far. I had the OG Covid back in December 2019 before it got cool and everyone started doing it.
The usual primary talking point is that it was developed “too fast”, which is of course ignoring a bunch of very important “details”. But explaining why that is wrong takes multiple sentences, but shouting out the misrepresentation that pulls people in can be done in a second.
Remember that us idiots that took the vaccination would die in about half a year? I can’t remember my funeral, but I really hope it was beautiful.
Or maybe we didn’t die and their bullshit was all made up and by now they could have had a chance to understand that. But that’s speculative.
I had a discussion with an anti-reality troll on Reddit who insisted that I would be dead within a year of taking the vaccine. He actually did a RemindMe! 1 year. That was more than 2 years ago and I never heard back from him. I wonder if he died?
BOOO!
What a bonkers hill to literally die on.
If you make being petulant your entire identity…
Solution: Get vaccinated. (It’s Postmedia, so odds are pretty good the story is exaggerated or outright fake)
Even if it’s not fake… this is kinda how it is. You’re required to jump through so many hoops to get a transplant. One of the steps is to suppress your immune system, and not taking one of the required vaccines increases the chances of not only your death, but the waste of the organ.
Agree. Vaccinations are important, especially in the case of transplants.
It is not fake, this has been going on for a while now.
https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/news/general/alberta-court-of-appeal-rules-transplant-candidate-must-follow-mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-policies/371335 https://www.jccf.ca/supreme-court-of-canada-declines-to-hear-challenge-to-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-for-transplant-candidates/
“Taking this vaccine offends my conscience. I ought to have the choice about what goes into my body, and a lifesaving treatment cannot be denied to me because I chose not to take an experimental treatment for a condition”
Hun, you’re not the only person who is looking for a transplant. If you’re not going to protect yourself from COVID-19, you don’t get the organ. Plain and simple.
Yup. The courts have long held that being vaccinated can be a requirement of getting an organ transplant. Organs are hard to come by and they should go to the people who are going to listen to their doctor and do what needs to be done to keep that organ alive for a long time. If not, it should go to someone who will.
If she won’t jump through that hoop, how many others will she refuse down the road?
“Taking this anti-rejection medication offends my conscience. These drugs are chemicals!”
“Getting an hour of cardio a day offends me, I should decide what activities I perform.”
“Being told to keep my BMI in the healthy range to keep my transplant healthy is offensive and is implying I’m fat.”
Transplant teams want compliant patients. Refusing a vaccine right off the bat means you are the non-compliant type who likely won’t be a success.
I’m not sure whether I take more offense to people still calling the vaccine experimental or thinking it’s a treatment. Being so desperately against something without bothering to even pretend to understand what it is or why irks the shit out of me. Good riddance.
It would mean she had to admit she was wrong.
THIS is the key point. She had made this her entire identity. When billions of doses had been administered to billions of people worldwide and none of them became magnetic, or sterile, or had tracking chips installed, or got 5G, or turned into monkeys and the world went on with life while she slowly killed herself while wailing about the injustice…she would rather die than admit that she was wrong.
It’s worse than just being stubborn though. Being wrong and not willing to admit it is petty, but people are willing to go much further (up to dying, apparently) if they’re too willfully ignorant to even be open to the possibility they could be wrong. This is some dark ages shit, and it’s terrifying how much of it’s out there in the wild.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 8•10 months ago
🎼This was a triumph🎶
🎼I’m making a note here: “huge success”🎶Seriously, the experiment is over. The stuff works great. That is not a valid excuse.
For an “experimental vaccine” it’s had a pretty amazing job at limiting the severity of covid and reducing deaths. If only all experiments were that successful
You’d think if she really wanted to live she’d jump through any amount of hoops needed, you know like your life depended on it… apparently not
Freedom isn’t freedom from consequences
Truth.
I’m sorry WTF!? Since when does not wanting to take a flu vaccine sign your death warrant?
Seems like it’s been that way for a while…
Transplant candidates must also receive the seasonal influenza and hepatitis B vaccines, follow other healthy behaviors, and demonstrate they can commit to taking the required medications following transplant.
Nevermind you trying to misrepresent the subject by saying it’s a flu vaccine.
Why sentence somebody that wants to live to die ( by denying them a transplant ) so that the organ can be wasted on somebody making choices inconsistent with survival.
All transplants have waiting lists. Getting an organ probably means denying one to somebody else.
The headline should be “Idiot sacrifices their life opening a spot for somebody smarter to live”.
Not vaccinating against an infection puts you at dramatically increased risk of poor outcomes. When deciding who gets a lifesaving organ, you have to consider chance of success and the chance that person can follow through with the rigorous regimen for successful outcome. This is the same reason drug users are denied organs. This is nothing unusual or unethical. She can choose not to get vaccinated, and doctors will choose a more suitable recipient for the organ.
When a life saving transplant you need has prerequisites and you refuse to meet them, you have refused the life saving transplant.
Simple enough?
Organ transplant recipients have a weakened immune system for months to years afterwards, in large part due to immune suppressants taken to prevent organ rejection.
That does not go well with being unvaccinated in a pandemic. The vaccination gives you a fighting chance even with weakened immune system, but without you’re screwed.
There is a very limited supply of organs. They need to give them to people who have the best chance of success and longevity.
rip bozo. That was her fully conscious choice to die
No, it was not her choice to die. Don’t be ridiculous
It literally was. She had the choice to get vaccinated and get it. She choose not to and die. That is an extremely easy choice. Which part of that is not having a choice?
No, she did not choose to die
In what world does this make sense to you. She choose to die because she didn’t want the vaccine. Is point A to point B just not connecting to you?
She’s not choosing to die, they’re choosing to kill her
If you’re choosing to jump off a cliff because it offends you to walk on a paved road and you’re being offered to walk on the paved road then it really is your own fault.
Doesn’t fit
You have to be trolling at this point
It’s like arguing with ChatGpt
They’re choosing not to kill 2 people instead of 1.
It’s no different to prioritising someone who has never smoked instead of a smoker. The person who doesn’t smoke has a better chance of survival
“It was not her choice to die”. Please explain. It looks to me like it very much was.
She did not make the choice to die, someone else made the choice to refuse to help her
She refused to do all of the things necessary to get a transplant.
Incorrect.
If I was drowning in a raging river and somebody threw me a rope, I could refuse the rope and demand that somebody else risk their life to swim out to get me. When they refuse, I am not going to say that they made the choice for me. I chose to die.
I understand that I am not going to convince you. That is fine. That does not change the fact that they gave her the choice and told her the steps she needed to take. The choice was hers and she chose. The fact that they did not decide to risk or kill somebody else waiting for that organ to accommodate her “choice” does not transfer the responsibility to them.
It is tragic to see somebody destroyed by their choices. That said, I am glad that somebody that was willing to save their own life got a chance at that organ instead. I hope that nobody that I care about is ever impacted by the kind of decision making you are defending here ( the woman who refused the organ that could have saved her life ).
The “my body my choice, I should be allowed to take that risk” crowd when the risk turns out poorly for them.
“She didn’t choose to risk her life by not getting the vaccine. She chose to risk your life by not getting the vaccine!”
