The last few posts made here, they’ve shown up, made the most inane, idiotic, and pointless comments, upvoted each other in a frenzy of circle jerking, and generally made a pest of themselves.
They’re a nuisance, and add nothing of value to the Lemmy experience.
Here’s my view. Lemmy.nz is intended for an NZ audience. Hexbear has been defederated from 5 of the top 8 largest instances. This is problematic for us, as their All is much more likely to show lemmy.nz posts than All on other instances. It starts to feel like we’re being brigaded, even though we aren’t, because their instance is the 10th largest Lemmy instance and yet they don’t see most Lemmy posts (but they do see ours).
I don’t have a problem with international audiences occasionally posting in our posts, even people with no connection to NZ. I think it provides some great perspective on our issues. But when you post a thread, and it gets overrun with international users, I think this becomes a problem.
This may not seem fair on them, but what I want is a friendly-feeling community, and recently we have had a different vibe.
Personally, I have become less inclined to participate. I’ve written up a post about the Papakangahorohoro street, then decided not to post it because by the time I’d written my 150 word article the thread had such hexbear comments as “Get over it crakkkas” and “sounds like the crackers should go back to europe if they dont like it”.
I want to participate in a friendly community, and the last couple of days I have felt like I didn’t want to participate because of the hexbear participation - and the participation of others stemming from that. For that reason, and no other, I think we should defederate. However, I want to hear what others think. Some counter-arguments would be great.
Yeah, I have been attempting to avoid defederating with instances from mine but with HexBear I just kind of had to because they were taking over every popular post.
Edit: I did read OP’s initial exchange and I think OP massively overreacted and the HexBear commenters were largely fine. However, the wider issue still stands which is why I did in my case.
They got that response because of the poor reputation their instance already has, I wasn’t in the mood to engage with them.
Here’s my view. Lemmy.nz is intended for an NZ audience. Hexbear has been defederated from 5 of the top 8 largest instances. This is problematic for us, as their All is much more likely to show lemmy.nz posts than All on other instances. It starts to feel like we’re being brigaded, even though we aren’t, because their instance is the 10th largest Lemmy instance and yet they don’t see most Lemmy posts (but they do see ours).
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that when instance like hexbear is defederated, they can still see your posts, they can even comment and vote on them. You just don’t see it anymore. They would have to defederate on their side too, to completely block it.
You’re on kbin.social, so I’m gonna make some assumptions about how it works, because I really only have a decent understanding of lemmy - though I’m assuming this is how other activitypub federated services work too.
While it may seem like you (on kbin.social) are replying to this post (on lemmy.nz), that is not the case. You server has a copy of the reply and all the other posts and comments. When you comment, it gets posted to the kbin.social community (magazine?) called !newzealand@lemmy.nz.
Behind the scenes, your server will syncronise your copy with the official lemmy.nz copy.
A user on (say) lemmy.world will also have a copy on their server. Your server will not send your comment directly there, rather it sends it to the only source of truth (the community host server), then the host server will send it out to all servers where there is a subscriber.
By defederating, they will no longer get any updates for any lemmy.nz communities, but will still see their own comments (and other users on their server will see them).
Honestly, I’m not sure what happens when e.g. a lemmy.nz user posts to lemmy.ml who are one of the few large servers still federated with hexbear - do the comments go to hexbear? Not sure. Do hexbear comments made to lemmy.ml federate back to lemmy.nz? Again, not sure (I suspect not).
they can still see your posts, they can even comment and vote on them. You just don’t see it anymore.
This would actually be ideal, as long as their downvotes don’t get federated back to us.
Hexbear doesnt have downvotes
That’s always a recipe for disaster.
Does lemmy not have a block user function where you won’t see their comments? I guess that doesn’t help when you want to wholesale block users from an instance.
I personally haven’t seen anything worth defederating over so far. In any case I usually just scroll past or don’t interact with comments that are inflammatory. However as you’re the admin it’s your call. My only reservation is that we don’t have many contributors as it is.
Also you should have posted your 150 word article anyway.
Personally I would much prefer the smaller, tight knit group of NZ and NZ-adjacent posters over a swarm of non-NZ users that are posting here because they can’t see the vast majority of posts on lemmy (out of the top 8 servers, there are about 36,000 monthly active users. Of those, about 2/3rds of those users are on servers that have defederated with hexbear.)
My 150 word article would have led to more… discussion - and I just didn’t have it in me to start a conversation like that where there were already aggressive and flippant comments.
While I do enjoy the smaller community of the NZ instance currently, if it ever grows larger I think you’ll be facing similar challenges with users as can be seen with the NZ subreddit on reddit. Such is the nature of social media. So it’s worth thinking about how to manage it in the future is what I’m saying, I guess.
Lemmy 100% needs better mod tools. And user tools for that matter. Users being unable to block an instance is a pretty big hole.
Some lemmy instances are trying to foster a friendly community, and really the only tool we have for this so far is to defederate until tools improve.
That happened to me too. I came in yesterday with something to say, and when I saw that some of the first people in there were making overly simplistic statements using (problematically class-based) American insults with hexbear-specific spelling, I just didn’t want to post in there.
They have a full on culture of dogpiling/bullying using in-group memes and it gets overwhelming.
I say this as someone who a) likes the name Papakangahorohoro and b) thinks the locals should thank their lucky stars that it’s not named after a local councillor’s friend’s uncle like so many new development streets are.
I say this as someone who a) likes the name Papakangahorohoro and b) thinks the locals should thank their lucky stars that it’s not named after a local councillor’s friend’s uncle like so many new development streets are.
Oh boy, I hate reading history and learning about how many towns used to be called something else, but some government promised a person if they did a thing they could have a town named after them.
Te Wera a Waitohi aka Waitohi aka Picton is a crazy one. The NZ Company cycled through naming it Horne Bay, Newton Bay, Cromwell, Beaconfield then finally settled on Picton after a guy who was into slave trading. Facepalm.
Not built into the platform, but some apps have it.
I’m glad you see the problem.
If you’re getting that worked up about mild non-offensive inane comments I hate to imagine how worked up you get using a self-checkout machine. Chill out.
Holy shit dude, have you used one?
Please place item in bagging area. Are you using your own bags? [Yes]. Please wait for staff member to come over and give you permission to use your own bags. Would you like a receipt? [No]. Please take this 30 centimetre long piece of receipt paper that isn’t a receipt, it’s just printed with stuff you don’t want.
I don’t think it’s justified getting all upset about a few comments, but if I saw an article about someone getting arrested for smashing a self-checkout machine then I’d assume the machine probably deserved it.
It constantly thinks I’ve placed an improper amount of weight and I’m stealing. As if I’d steal at the most watched area of the store like a chump. And the attendant has to come over four times!
I have actually abandoned my shopping and walked out because of one of those things.
Once again, the issue is that none of them actually participated meaningfully in the discussion, just turned the thread into one big circle jerk.
None of the individual comments were particularly bad, it’s the overall effect that is the issue.
the overall effect he’s objecting to is a general anti-racist sentiment, just to clarify that for everyone
Not wanting to learn a tounge twister of a word to call an ambulance is racist? Or spell it out to every single time you give your address?
It would be an ongoing hassle for the residents.
you don’t know the word papa? kangaroo? horohoro is two sounds repeated once.
you’re either the laziest or stupidest person in the world. my vote is both.
or just a run of the mill, boring as fuck racist. I guess that’s actually my vote as you are entirely unimpressive and mediocre, not even the best at being stupid or lazy
Would you be happy spelling that out every single time you need to give your address to someone?
And what’s with the attitude?
i’ve spelled it like five times now. oh god the horror my hands are falling off.
“what’s with the attitude”
is there a sealion emoji easily accessible?
how would you like to spell “Acacia Avenue” if you called it papakangahorohoro?
Dude, you need to go AFK for a bit I think, you’re way too wound up about this.
He’s angrily eating muffins. It’s the only attitude he has. Just block him
He’s definitely angry.
Why are you using a ThisPersonDoesNotExist avi 😨
kangaroo
Hi, not trying to start a fight but thought you might be interested; “kangaroo” has no relevance here.
It’s ka-nga: “ka” - like the English word “car” but without the R - and “nga” which also rhymes with car and has a soft g like in the English word “sing”, not a hard g like in “kangaroo.”
Nga might be a bit harder for you, but all kiwis know how to pronounce it, it’s the nga in common names like Ngaire and Ngati and “Tutira Mai Nga Iwi”.
Ty!
No it isn’t. It’s not hard to remember or say.
I’m sure there’s things I find easy to remember that you would struggle with.
Weird claim since you seem to repeat things a lot, including repeating things I’ve said back to me. You talk exactly like the guy we’ve had an issue with on Lemmy.ml who keeps making alts with AI profile pics.
I have temporary blocked hexbear so we can have the conversation in peace.
Edit: Apparently I needed to hit save, so now we are temporarily defederated from hexbear.
I’ve read the various comments about it and have no idea why you would have to defederate with them. As long as they play by the rules it should be fine. Just downvote if you don’t agree. The voting system will take care of it.
I think defederation should be a last resort.
Currently less than 1/4 of the votes on this post (the post itself) are from users subscribed to this community. Hexbear users far outnumber us, it’s not even remotely close. With 5 out of the 8 instances with over 1000 monthly active users having defederated them, we are showing up much higher in their All feed. Lemmy.world defederated them, and they have more users than all the other 7/8 put together. Over 2/3rds of lemmy content is no longer available to them, so they see our posts about random NZ stuff, and decide to comment on them. Because there are so many of them, it floods the posts.
Basically, it takes us from being a community of NZ and NZ-adjacent people, to being a community of international hexbear users talking about NZ. It completely changes the tone of the instance.
It’s not something they have done (other than whatever made the others want to defederate), but the point of the fediverse is to curate who you federate with in order to build the community you want, then people join the instances that curate the way they want. I’m not so keen on a community of hexbear users talking about NZ. The occasional one was fine, but to have our threads swamped is just not what I’m here for.
Also, hexbear users are filling all the posts from different instances trying to decide if people want to defederate or not. It’s bad taste.
I try not to be a “my way or the highway” kind of guy, but I haven’t yet seen a good counter-argument to my other post.
Thanks Dave. I had not noticed it at all until this post.
But I get your point, this should be an instance of mainly NZ people. If hexbear seems to take over it’s probably a good idea to defederate.
I can’t see from the two threads I read through anything particular bad or offensive. Are you able to give some examples of where you feel their dialogue is impeding lemmy.nz in some way?
I stopped using my lemmy.world account nearly as much after they started blocking a bunch that I was interested in, and I’d hate to see that going on here, but if there are valid examples I’d like to see them.
So the last few days we have had explosions of comments on some posts, and some of my experience is from posts and communities on other instances, but having come to this post not long after it was posted, and seeing comments like “sounds like the crackers should go back to europe if they dont like it. “too long” fuck off street names over 15-letters are the norm where i live”.
They popped into a post about a name in NZ on an NZ instance to call people racist names.
You and I may have different ideas about what is ok, or possibly the comment has been drowned out by the attention the post got so it’s not so obvious anymore, but to me that is not a thoughtful comment in a friendly community.
Yeah, had to scroll way down to see the comments, but although I think they are a bit dumb, there were other hexbear comments in that thread I agreed with. I’m generally in favour of keeping the community open, supposing you have the ability to ban the trolls if you think it needs it (no idea if you can do that in Lemmy). Defederating just seems like a big step, and your right I find those comments mildly offensive at best but of course it’s your server so up to you the standard you want to keep.
On the votes front, I believe as the admin you can see the vote counts? Are the really outweighing the local voices? Or is the proportion of lemmy.nz vs other instances consistent over time? I previously used my lemmy.world account to access lemmy.nz, and I imagine there are loads of people with accounts on different instances.
Given the low numbers currently I think finding ways to be more open is good, but I can also appreciate not wanting to deal with shitty behaviour.
Yeah, had to scroll way down to see the comments, but although I think they are a bit dumb, there were other hexbear comments in that thread I agreed with.
This is one thing I struggle with. Some posts by hexbear users are so thoughtful, while others are so flippant.
I’m generally in favour of keeping the community open, supposing you have the ability to ban the trolls if you think it needs it (no idea if you can do that in Lemmy). Defederating just seems like a big step, and your right I find those comments mildly offensive at best but of course it’s your server so up to you the standard you want to keep.
What I want for a community isn’t “not offensive”, but actively friendly.
On the votes front, I believe as the admin you can see the vote counts? Are the really outweighing the local voices? Or is the proportion of lemmy.nz vs other instances consistent over time? I previously used my lemmy.world account to access lemmy.nz, and I imagine there are loads of people with accounts on different instances.
I can see the votes in the database. I’ve only checked specifically this post (and not any comments under it), but last I checked there were 23 voters subscribed to !newzealand out of 169 votes. That’s regardless of which server their account is on.
I haven’t checked this for previous posts. That could be an interesting thing to check, to see if it’s unusual (the volume of votes is certainly unusual).
Given the low numbers currently I think finding ways to be more open is good, but I can also appreciate not wanting to deal with shitty behaviour.
I posted a reply here, that’s a little different than my attitude up to now, but I think it’s still a reasonable path forward - though again anything is only a proposal at this point.
That’s a really interesting read. Also blown away by how low user numbers are still. I haven’t been back on Reddit since the 3rd party app shutdown, and I know plenty of others have left. Makes it seem more important to me to build community but it’s a tricky balance to strike.
Thanks for your thoughtful responses. I am enjoying having the kiwi community to interact with so your obviously doing something right.
Downvoting doesn’t work when there’s more of them than there are of us, and they all upvote each other.
There’s nothing more permanent than a temporary solution that works, eh dave?
I feel the fact you decided this was necessary kinda proves my point though.
Not really, I messaged @dave so he could be on top of it if it got ‘interesting’.
Now you have got very anti hexbear and ‘they’ have not been antagonistic in this thread.
No, but they have absolutely flooded the thread. They certainly got antagonistic in the previous thread though, basically calling everyone who disagrees with them racist.
You are the one in that thread getting hun up on a te Reo name when Te Reo is an official language (the only written in Law - English is only a common language as far as I understand), they, and others have called out the developers and you fo a quite an easy Te Reo name.
I have seen issues with 111 having issues with an English street name - Dick st. It took three calls to get EMS to attend because the first two went to (i guess) the same controller who insisted that Dick st was a prank call.
I don’t like how they exclusively use memes, and seem to group post, but on the issue of the street name I think you are in the wrong.
Do you seriously think that’s quite an easy name?
It’s eight syllables, but I think most minds would chunk it out as three or four units of short term memory (“papa”, “kanga”, “horo” or even “horohoro”) which isn’t too unreasonable to me compared to some more …western sounding? place names.
(Though I am not the person you were responding to nor do I have experience with Maori. Just sharing my take)
I mean, it’s certainly possible to remember, but to describe it as an easy to remember word just seems so elitist.
If we want to pronounce it properly we do it “Papa” - “ka” - “nga” - “horo” “horo”.
I’d predict people who want to mangle it will probably go for something like “Paper” “kanga” “hoaro” (with a hard g like in kangaroo, argh) and leave the last bit off.
Paraparaumu gets called “Parrer Pram” by people who don’t pronounce their reo. Not all of whom are pakeha I might add.
Easier than Worcester
Who said Worcester was an easy name though?
Even as a white gen x-er with probable dyslexia I would possibly have issues spelling spelling not living there, but if you lived there I really can’t see the problem with papa-kanga-horo-horo (shit, look at that I spelt that correctly first time [yes I looked it to check])
Te Reo is an official language (the only written in Law
Just have to point out that New Zealand Sign Language is also an official language written in law.
I missed typed as I know that Sign is also.
What I meant was: “Te Reo is an official language (the only written, written in Law - English is only a common language as far as I understand)”
I’ll blame the bottle of wine I was 3/4 of the way through at the time ;)
Fair enough!
Lmao you toadie, listen to yourself
And now the alts show up.
Swing and a miss
I mean, you’ve had the same hostile attitude right out the gate as the Hexbear crowd, of course people will think you’re one of them.
Pretty common for narcissists to perceive the world as a crowd of bullies working against them. I hope you’re not a grown man acting like this on here.
You really are a sad person.
Thank you. They show up like ants any time Hexbear or the CCP is mentioned.
Every time I read a stupid comment and then check the instance 100% of the time it’s hexbear.
So far I’ve not seen any rule breaking posts.
Edit: I made this comment after only seeing hexbear users in few nz thread but after seeing more and seeing how the partcipate. I think we should defederate. They will never participate in good faith as they are an extremist instance. Majority of the big instances have already defederated with them so its not like we will be singling them out. On the point of “diverse viewpoints”, policy so far bans extreme right wing instances and extreme leftwing instances. All the reasonable view points that a hexbear user could provide can be provided by the many leftists across other instances.
Yeah, that’s exactly the issue. Nothing of value comes from their instance, but they do follow the rules.
Regarding the edit, what is their instance actually about, what are their leanings? I haven’t been to visit, and don’t really want to.
They’re anti nato communists and some socialists. I took a geez at their “why does everyone hate our instance thread” and it seems that in their words, since they have been on the platform for 3 years they have a strong instance culture. They are used to fighting and battling trolls so when they see something they don’t like they swarm on it and argue aggressively.
From my opinion its a political community that focuses on pushing extreme left wing views. They are anti western, anti capitalism and anti racism and bigotry. I laughed because one of the reasons they keep giving for being hated is because “they’re always right”.
Being anti NATO, I suspect they’re also on Russia’s side regarding Ukraine? Yeah, fuck em.
They LOVE Putin and the CCP. They’ll dogpile anyone who disagrees.
Euww. Yeah, they can fuck right off.
They’re authoritarians. The communist stuff is just an excuse to worship authoritarian regimes like the CCP.
Tankies. They are pro authoritarian communist or socialist regimes like China and USSR, and anti western liberal capitalist democracies like US and NZ.
They got banned from Reddit and moved to an isolated Lemmy instance long before the rest of Lemmy got big, but decided to experiment with federation fairly recently.
The only person in this thread that’s not engaging in good faith and trying to cause trouble is you.
So what’s with the attitude in your other comment? Clearly these people have no plans to engage in good faith.
I would not support defederation based on this exchange. Surely the bar must be high for such an action?
Fair enough, I appreciate the civil response.
Honestly if someone wants to point out how awful Hexbear is, op posted some poor examples.
If you spend a little time there you’ll see things more along the lines of “you’re gonna get the wall when we start the revolution” with a ton of upvotes.
So as an update, Hexbear have defederated us after a brief chat I had with an admin. They updated their instance on it here:
Removed lemmy.nz from our allow-list due to irreconcilable political differences between the instances. As well as them committing to permanently blocking hexbear.net
https://hexbear.net/comment/3833816
That’s not quite how I remember the conversation going, in fact I feel like I said it wasn’t permanent (or at least that’s what I was trying to imply):
Thanks for reaching out. I do intend to monitor the situation, in particular when more granular tools are available. But for the moment I think we will just watch from the side lines.
But hey, it is what it is.
This has “you can’t fire me, I quit” vibes.
Does this mean they can see us, but we don’t see them, or are we invisible to them?
I think because we currently have them blocked, and they have now blocked us, this I think means that neither of us see each other (on any server).
“You’re not breaking up with me! I’m breaking up with you!”
Can’t say you didn’t try. Nice work.
Well done Dave. Think you handled it well.
I have filtered out a lot of the spammer accounts that just spew nonsense.
On one hand I’m lucky I can do that with sync. But on the other hand we shouldn’t have to resort to whackamole.
I wouldn’t mind if it was a few “bad apples”, but every single fucking one of them are here to start arguments, call people racist, and generally act in the most abrasive manner possible.
i mean, bro, you’re being racist as fuck in that other thread.
i’m not from hexbear, you gonna start a thread about kbin, now, too?
Oh boy, don’t get me started on kbin. Soooo much spam. About 90% of our spam reports (for actual spam) are for kbin.social posts, and I presume the reports don’t federate to kbin so I just remove it from our view and then it stays on kbin 🙁
Seriously if you have a suggestion I’d love to hear it. There are too many thoughtful kbin participants to consider defederation. But oh boy is the spam annoying.
Kbin is still being built, I’d suggest you get someone over there to flag this issue with their dev team.
It’s really not hard to remember. You’d only think that if you didn’t try to say it once even. Papakanghorohoro or something
you literally only missed an a in kanga
i didn’t have to look it up to know this
you know why? because i already knew the word papa and horohoro is the same fucking sound repeated twice. there is no possible reason this could be anything other than racist. i’m not from new zealand and i learned the word in fifteen seconds and i know fucking no te reo besides te reo, maori, haka and fucking PAPAKANGAHOROHORO
The term “racist” gets thrown about with so little though these days, it’s effectively meaningless.
or maybe people keep calling you that for a very good reason: you’re a fucking racist
what other reason could you have for denying the legitimacy of one of your country’s official languages? why would you be othering it?
you’re a fucking racist. own it or fix it, but either way shut the fuck up.
Dude, you desperately need to chill the fuck out.
Oh yeah? What are some other examples of things people call racist, which aren’t?
I only ever see racist people saying this
There it is again.
There’s plenty of names that are a nightmare to say in other languages, it’s not about the language, it’s that it will be an ongoing headache for the residents of the street.
And frankly, I think their voice is the most important one, because they’re the ones living here.
cool. how is papakangahorohoro hard to say or hard to remember? i literally just typed it from memory and i’ve seen it all of five times before. i know no te reo besides te reo, haka, maori and PAPAKANGAHOROHORO
“other languages” aren’t we talking about one of the OFFICIAL LANGUAGES of New Zealand? yeah bro, you’re racist as fuck.
Wait, the people living in a place are the most important voices? Jesus fucking Christ the irony.
Have another muffin.
What’s the argument there? People shouldn’t have oppositional discussions online? You just want to live in an echo chamber?
One of the saddest things about silicon valley social media products is the way they silo people off and prevent exchange of ideas.
And here on lemmy, reddit users who got used to it silo themselves off willingly.
People can disagree without being assholes or abrasive about it. I think that’s what ops referring to
That’s a common perception of people who are unable to bear someone disagreeing with them. I’ve looked at the actual discussions they’re complaining about. Not impressed by this attempt to turn a tantrum into a site issue.
The issue, as other commitments have pointed out, is that they all, quite consistently, behave in the most abrasive manner possible. It’s not a “few bad apples”, they’re all like that.
But op is literraly doing what they say they’re not doing.
The issue is, there is no discussion or exchange of ideas happening, just a group of people behaving like seagulls.
Very good faith reply here. I have no choice but to take you at face value.
Please share a list of spammer accounts so we can point and laugh (at you)
That makes no sense?
The app I use has a built in filter. You just add a user to the filter and you don’t see their posts or comments.
Seems like a good move. It’s a crap dynamic at this point. Maybe later we could re-federate once the numbers aren’t so skewed. If people from there feel the need to discuss NZ issues they still have options. They can join here. They can make their own NZ sub if NZ issues are so important to them.
If you’re going to defederate from everyone that’s stupid, you’re going to be very alone. And then there’s the technical difficulty of having to defederate from yourself.
Might I suggest that next time you spawn, you do so on a planet that does have intelligent life? Kind of pointless to complain about idiots when you were the one that decided to be a human just before planetary annihilation.
It wouldn’t be defederating from everyone. Only defederating from extremist instances who only seek to push their views on everyone. Eg exploding heads, hexbear and lemmygrad.
Nothing they say is relevant to the nz threads they post in.
Least misanthropic nerd
Have lemmy.nz reached out to hexbear? Do they know that their bombastic persona can be overwhelming for a small instance? Sounds corny but maybe we just ask them to go easy.
They aren’t ever going to chill out. Their entire purpose is to brigade, attack, harass, and argue in bad faith. The admins pretend to care about this, but they’re in on it as shown by this image. They’re getting defederated a lot right now because they cannot ever behave.
I do not support defederating. I want diverse viewpoints. I suppor5 inclusivity. I don’t mind offensive posts. I can block them myself if I don’t want to see them. Please don’t speak for me.
Yes and no. We are here on lemmy.nz, a locally focused instance. Many users want to participate in NZ related content, and may be from NZ, even if their accounts are not on lemmy.nz. If hexbear is defederated, then they won’t be able to participate in any of the NZ communities, and this impacts all users wanting to participate here.
With that said, this (original) post has less than 1/4 of the up/down votes from users subscribed to this community, and an even smaller fraction are lemmy.nz users, so for sure there are a lot of people participating in this thread that are not invested in the outcome.
In the end the decision is up to lemmy.nz, a random user from lemm.ee should in my opinion not have a vote in such a discussion.
The same goes for me, feddit.de has already defederated from hexbear, so I can’t even see any of their comments on this thread.
A big problem with Hexbear is that downvoting is disabled on their side, resulting in a lot more comments due to users being unable to disagree with something through the voting system. Should downvotes become enabled, Hexbear would become a lot more bearable to outside instances.
The same goes for me, feddit.de has already defederated from hexbear, so I can’t even see any of their comments on this thread.
This answers a question I had, thanks!
If they care that much, they can always make an account here.
Paradox of tolerance
I prefer “contract of tolerance”: once you stop showing tolerance you are no longer entitled to it.
Yes, we need to defederate from hexbear badly. They’re terrorists over there.
terrorists??!? Do you know what that word means? Need a source desperately for that one.