Nah. If you want to be outraged at Google, at least be correct.
This has to do with Google “collections”, not synced bookmarks. Afaik, collections are a thing you only access on mobile through the google app, this doesn’t even have anything to do with Chrome.
If you run chrome on mobile, for example, you don’t have access to the collections. It’s only through the google app.
Almost certain they monitor collections because they can be shared with public.
They shouldn’t be monitored either way in my opinion as it’s just a bunch of links, but especially not while still private.
Ultimately I don’t think it quite matters if it technically is bookmarks or “collections”, they seem clearly used in the same manner in this case.
I don’t care if you’re mad about it like I said. I just care about accuracy. The person in the screenshot and this thread’s title are both inaccurate.
I didn’t ever indicate I was mad, I simply stated my opinion. We already know it is inaccurate as you shared this in your original comment.
Eh… the ultimate question, what if it’s a collection of CSAM links?
Some moderation is fine, especially when it can be shared pretty easily. This isn’t private bookmarks, it’s “private” bookmark collections.
Edit: For those downvoting, this is the same concept as a private Reddit/facebook community. Just because it’s “invite only” doesn’t mean it’s free from following the rules of the whole site.
CSAM is never an excuse to violate everyone’s privacy.
I hate seeing people implying that it is. It’s no better then Patriot Act B.s that took away privacy in the name of catching terrorists.
When those links are hosted on Google servers, publicly available to anyone handed the link to them?… how is that a private space?
This isn’t reaching into your phone and checking the information you store on it, this is checking links you added and shared with others using their service. They absolutely have the right to check them.
It is a private space when they are not shared publicly
Except that’s not how it works.
If I go into a public park, put up a tent, then start breaking the parks rules, I’m not “in the clear” just because I’m in a tent and didn’t invite anyone else in.
Words used to have meaning, you know. Like, for example, the word “private”.
Private has various meanings in various contexts. If I take you to the private booth at a club, does it mean I’m allowed to slap around the waiter? No, of course not because rules still apply in private places hosted by a third party.
If you want privacy in the context you explicitly mean, you shouldn’t be using anyone else’s hardware to begin with. If you expect any third party company to be fine with posting anything on them, you’re gonna have a bad time.
For example, how many lemmy instances are fine with you direct linking to piracy torrents?
I’d not expect the private booth to have the club’s employee sitting there and waiting for me to do something that is against the rules preemptively.
We mostly argue about semantics, but in this instance you are trying to excuse some very questionable behaviour by companies by saying something along the lines of “well you better go and live in a forest then”. And I don’t think that’s a good take.
For example, how many Lemmy instances are fine with you direct linking to piracy torrents?
Irrelevant, as all content on Lemmy is public in a proper sense of this word.
Irrelevant, as all content on Lemmy is public in a proper sense of this word.
/sigh
How many file hosting services let you share pirated data, publicly?
Before you start in on “it’s not the same” it absolutely is. It’s private data, which is being shared through a link publicly. Just like bookmark collections.
And once that file has been identified as piracy, it is very often fingerprinted and blacklisted from not only that instance, but all instances past, present and future.
That’s essentially what is going on here.
I guess we test and see whether I get banned.
Also, it’s not the same. A link to a website is not “pirated content”. A link to a website in a “collection” not shared with anybody is not publicly available pirated content.
Why would Google preemptively ban a set of characters that does not constitute a slur and is perfectly legal to exist?
Yup. As an analogy, we rent apartments but that doesn’t revoke our right to privacy. We’ve decided people deserve privacy even if they’re only renting and not owning. Same should be true when one is renting space online to store things.
Some torrent sites have been ordered to be entirely blocked in some countries so they probably have to check for them to comply with local laws.
These blocks are usually the job of the ISP’s in the country, mostly via DNS.
I don’t think a simple “collection” of URLs would ever fall under any of that.
Normally, I would fully agree with you, but well, don’t underestimate the stupidity of law makers: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/sign-our-petition-to-stop-france-from-forcing-browsers-like-mozillas-firefox-to-censor-websites/
France is always special! It’s honestly sad that they constantly try to pull so many stupid things off.
Wtf is a collections?
Beats me, I only use chrome if firefox cannot display the site correctly. And it’s a case to case basis at that, it has to be that I really really need to access that site.
Also i rarely use the Google apps that came with my phone. The most probably used one is Maps.
Edit : so yeah, I forgot. I’m on Android. There’s that, no escaping from them on my part. I can’t be bothered with using and installing my own phone OS.
I’m with you. I’ve disabled some of the more intrusive system apps and Google apps, but there’s no replacement for Maps atm. The best I’ve found is OsmAnd, but it is unusable for me because there’s no way to track movement while observing the convention of north = up.
I like the maps integration with Android auto so that has to stay
Basically the Google equivalent of Pocket Reader; saves a whole bunch of links from Google News/Articles for you, Google search, and general web links. It’s not the same as your Chrome bookmarks (though at one point they were considering merging them until everyone hated it).
Ok, I just checked. My collections consist almost entirely of saved maps locations of which restaurants and tourist places I want to visit. Interesting.
Crazy that I had to scroll past 9 other comments to reach this one. Maybe I oughta start sorting comments by top.
My bookmarks can also be shared with the public though
I’m not aware of a way of making your bookmarks public through chrome.
You can access through google.com/save
That’s not a function of chrome though, I can do that on any browser.
Thats’s what I meant by posting the link, you can access it anywhere.
Okay sure but that’s not a service that google is explicitly providing and hosting on their server. Bookmarks are saved locally.
Google keeps taking L’s and firefox keeps taking W’s. If they keep going maybe firefox will be most used browser again
How to make people care, though
A few days ago, a friend asked me what browser I was using, a question he asked me in a genuine manner of getting my opinion. When I asnwered that I was using Firefox, he - again, what seemed to be genuine - wanted to know why. Knowing that he likes to use adblockers, I then told him about Google’s recent attempts of attacking an open web, specificly mentioning ManifestV3 and WEI API and how they are a potential threat to his use of adblockers.
“Well, I use ublock origin on chrome and it still works, so I’ll keep using that.”
Apparently, I am not convincing enough.
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Unless they sort out their funding (find someone that is not Google for majority of their money), people shouldn’t care.
I don’t understand. You think people shouldn’t care about privacy? You think people shouldn’t care about one or two massive corporations having complete control over the internet?
Explain.
I think his point is that as long as Google is the primary funding source for Mozilla it’s not worth relying on Firefox because there’s always the risk Google will demand Mozilla capitulates and tows the line. Once/If Mozilla secure independent funding then they can be ‘trusted’
Oh, I see. For some reason, I thought they were referring to content creators and others who profit from Google ads or something like that.
And yeah, there’s a lot that Mozilla’s corporate branch needs to sort out, but Firefox and its forks are the only viable alternatives to chromium browsers right now, so people should still care about that.
“Perfection is the enemy of progress” … or something like that
🤔 So why can’t we just make our own browser then?
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Browser engines are very, very, very, very very hard to make and maintain.
See: Opera and Microsoft Edge, which formerly ran on bespoke engines until they converted to Chromium because no one would support their browser.
It doesn’t matter, we literally have no choice. We either accomplish something very hard in our lives or suffer. And life is very very unkind to the indolent and downtrodden.
Not at all. They should find an alternative that cannot be just unplugged on demand.
Mozilla cannot be unplugged on demand. That would cause Google to become a monopoly, and they would be held to extreme harsh laws by the EU. Like in the case of IE6 back in the day.
Google does not want that, so they donate to Mozilla to keep Firefox as a competitor. And Firefox has to do jack shit in return other than exist.
The only way Firefox could be unplugged is if a new non-chromium browser becomes one of the big browsers.
This is all technically correct. Although I think it’s a little naive to say that a corporation “cannot” do something today. There are lots of things they technically cannot do yet it happens on daily basis.
I hate that I have to keep chrome on my machine because some sites I visit don’t work well, or at all, on Firefox.
I’ve heard a lot of people mention this recently and I must live a charmed life because I’ve never had this happen. There was I think maybe, once where I was having a problem with a site and it said that I needed to use a browser like chrome so I begrudgingly did and it still didn’t work so I don’t count that as an example and other than that, I’ve just never seen it. In fact I’m pretty sure it’s not since about 2001 that I’ve seen any website give me shit with only working on certain browsers and that was sites designed to work on IE6 or something.
Just had it happen yesterday with the the students loan simulator. It wouldn’t work on Firefox and kept getting hung and freezing. Opened it in chrome and it worked perfectly first time.
It’s not common, but enough that I keep chrome installed for now.
Use brave
It’s still chromium based, which I’m trying to get away from as much as possible.
firefox doesn’t do this
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This is misinformation. This has to do with Google collections and how it’s a shared platform, so of course google is going to monitor this.
Your private bookmarks are fine. Relax.
Still, you shouldn’t use Chrome or any Google products if you can help it.
Op you’re so easily fooled
Fake, as that site is brand new and has nothing on it.
I just received that email today on a ligh novel reading site. It’s real.
Fake, as that site is brand new and has nothing on it.
what site is brand new?
I think they meant the Kickass Torrents (KAT) link. It was taken down in 2016, but it looks like it’s back by the original people that were running it.
Now we know we’ve reached parity with Twitter, we have people sharing misinformation!
People are saying this is fake, maybe that image in particular is, but I just got that email and that’s annoying me so here’s a pic
Dose it means Google actually deleted it?
From the collections yes, I can’t see that item there. They are just bookmarks from mobile device though, it’s been so many years I didn’t even know that was there lol.
I am so incredibly sick of this intrusive digital dystopia.
A natural result of unchecked capitalism
Jesus just stop using Google. I registered my own domains (in plural yes) and nowadays I’m using them with iCloud, but I could easily change my entire emails from provider with a simple dns change.
For browser I advise using Firefox, but if you don’t like its performance Brave it’s also a good choice. (Though both have some shit going on behind curtains still far better than Google).
For password management just use either Bitwarden, Proton Pass or 1Password. It’s easy not to use Google to store your data, there’s a lot of competitors for what they do.
Don’t use Brave, it is a mess and sketchy as hell. They have been selling copyrighted material and even injected their own affiliate link when users browsed to Binance.
I do agree with the other parts! It is not that difficult to move away from Google!
They have been selling copyrighted material
Source? I don’t use it just curious.
It came to me in a dream. A cat told me. Your mom.
How do you live your life? https://www.technadu.com/brave-browser-takes-back-controversial-affiliate-code-injection/104177/#:~:text=More specifically%2C Brave was automatically injecting affiliate code,to being an opt-in choice for the user.This is the top Post on DuckDuckgo. You could also have googled it.
I didn’t ask YOU for anything, and I’m not opening your shitty link.
You asked for a source, on a forum.
If you ask for a source, you get a source.Why not? It was actually a good read. Here’s another: https://www.spacebar.news/p/stop-using-brave-browser
I took a look at that article. You don’t use a browser because it:
- Runs ads to support the company
- Disagree with the co-found point of views, worse, that they made a 1000$ donation to something he believed in?
A company like Brave is composed of a lot of people with different views. Being able to live in society and accepting each others views it’s what makes democracy … democracy.
Don’t see any valid point to not use Brave in the article provided.
No, it’s perfectly good and healthy to utterly and completely deplatform and disenfranchise homophobes.
different views
The opinion that LGBT+ people shouldn’t have rights is not a valid opinion, and it’s dismissive to simply categorize it as a “different view.” Democracy means we have the choice to reject anyone who espouses such an anti-human worldview, and it is categorically and objectively good to do so.
Good to know you don’t give a fuck about LGBT+ people enough not to use a shitty chromium browser, though. Blocked.
Being toxic af while I didn’t even ask him for any source at all.
Yeah, fair. That was uncalled for. “Just search it yourself” never sits right with me, either.
Brave is built on chromium…
Modified with loads of privacy features. Just putting the suggestion out there since some people have trouble with Firefox in some sites.
Still gives google a lot of power to decide how the web will function in the future. That some websites don’t work in Firefox is a symptom of exactly that problem
I never understood why these browsers never choose Firefox as a base to their new browsers… Technically you should be able no?
It’s something about how the Gecko engine is built IIRC. I don’t get all the details but TLDR Chromium is a lot easier to abstract into other programs as a plugin and engine and Gecko is harder.
“Some sites give people trouble with Firefox” is more like it. Spoof the user-agent header, and those sites that “work better with Chrome” suddenly work just fine.
the trouble isn’t with Firefox, it’s with those sites and the developers of that site that can’t be botheted to do it properly and cross-browser - it’s still a thing and a sane requirement.
I mean with Safari I can understand since Apple can’t be bothered to make a decent engine with all the web standards. But Firefox has all of that so they’re just plain retarded.
I also recommend this.
Buy your own domain, set auto renew and if possible put money in the account. Make sure to set up a recovery account that does not use this domain, as losing access to the domain means you lose your recovery account.
Use an independent email provider with your domain, so you can leave any time but also they’ll have real customer support. I don’t recommend hosting your own, it will be hard to build up a non-spam reputation.
Don’t use a password manager bundled with your os or browser, that just locks you in. It’s convenient, but be wary of our enshitifying world.
Make sure you have an off-site backup and an on-site backup as well, if you have a house fire you don’t want to lose all your data. iCloud/Dropbox aren’t a full backup solution, but they’re pretty good.
If your bank supports it, put your 2factor emergency methods in a safe deposit box. If you go passwordless, get an extra yubikey and put it in your safe deposit box.
I’m sorry, WHAT?
How long until Android starts blocking access to websites.
I really do not trust these large tech companies.
No no no you misunderstand
They’re helping you avoid evil bad superungood pages that don’t have the right security levels.
Maybe their SSH cert is for the wrong site!
Maybe their SSH cert is just too old.
Or maybe, heavens forbid, they dont even have an SSL cert?! Heavens to Betsy what shenanigans.
Sometimes web pages spread malware. Sometimes they even spread copyright protected materials without the the rights to do so! Maybe we should start helping you avoid copyright infringement!
My cell connection blocks some pirate sites. But I’m not using for that purpose, but the second my phone does it is the second I stop using that phone.
I guess it’s just DNS level blocking. If you don’t want any blocks, switch to Cloudflare DNS. If you want a customized experience, you can create a free NextDNS account which allows for 300,000 queries/month. It also has many pre-existing blocklists for ads and trackers. You can try that out for free without signup with a temporary 7 day account, just click on “Try for free”.
Or choose some other DNS provider.
Maybe once google gets fuchsia done, and then they no longer need Android.
getfirefox.com and disable google search in your preferences. F*ck google.
Good thing I’ve been using Raindrop.io to manage my bookmarks for years because I used to switch browsers so often. I’ve settled on Firefox for the most part, but am looking forward to Arc on Windows.
I’ve started using arc on Mac and I can’t go back. Hopeful that it gets released on windows soon.
Can you tell me the appeal of Arc? I have it, and I’ve used it, but I just can’t seem to “get it”.
I use it at work and it’s simplified a lot of things. On Mac I use different desktop spaces for different apps. So it put a lot of my apps onto one screen instead of 3. I put Spotify, my project management software, and my browser on one screen. So it simplified my workflow in that way.
I also like the different spaces that you can setup. So I have one space for general work tabs, stock imagery websites, and then inspiration websites. All while keeping my 6 most used websites at the top. So really I like how it’s rearranged my bookmarks. Also a fan of its Split View management. I know I could just drag a tab out in chrome or whatever. But this will automatically size them nicely.
Overall I could see it not being very useful if you just use a browser for checking email or one or two sites. But it excels at managing a lot of tabs.
Edit: One last thing I love is the auto tab delete after 12 hours (you can change the time or turn it off). I love being able to just spam tabs and come back the next day and have it all clean and fresh.
Is this just chrome? Or does this affect all chromium browsers? And yes, I already use FF, but I also use Brave for when FF doesn’t work.
It’s about synced bookmarks. Do any browsers besides Chrome sync through Google?
It’s not about normal synced bookmarks in your browser, see other comment.
Which technically speaking makes sense as those are Google-stored data referencing illegal data. You can’t store actual ripped movies in Google drive either. Just no browser has decided to pull the trigger on this policy before since it’s so much work to collect this data unless you’re an actual web browser company as well. (So I guess this might be coming to Edge in the future)
You literally can store ripped movies on Google Drive, (but you cant share them on it)
Google literally crawls the web and serves piracy pages as search results, complete with keywords and all. How hard is it to just… Leave personal bookmark data alone? Encrypt it for the user and let it be? What the hell does Google have to be moderating personal saved links for?
I’ll switch immediately.
the only two things that shock me about this is
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That it took until now for it to happen
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that people are shocked by it.
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