• That’s the problem

      • they are making harder to change the default browser on windows, and broke workaround by chrome and firefox too.
      • they don’t let you uninstall edge in easy way or without a third party software.
      • if you download another browser from edge they try to persuade you in to giving edge a try.
      • they are planning to set edge as the default browser on teams.
      • they don’t give you an easy way to open with another browser the internet result from the windows search bar, they broke EdgeDeflector many times indeed.

      And nobody is doing something about it!

          • Well, there’s at least some hope, looking at the whole USB-C situation, the DSA and the DMA.

            So much happens everyday that is more than just technically illegal, law enforcement doesn’t even know where to start.

            One big thing for the GDPR right now is how many EU-US data transfers are violating the law, because they happen without user consent. If we’re being as strict as we should be, EU websites aren’t allowed to use Google Analytics, for example

      • It’s sad, because Edge is actually a pretty good browser, but all this shit just makes everyone hate it.

        Also, every Google page I visit gives me an annoying “Download Chrome now!” popup, so MS i guess is just using the same strategy Google used.

      • Haven’t installed fresh windows in a few years but I distinctly remember the past few times I installed Windows 10 I had the weirdest issues trying to download Firefox or chrome, like the webpage or download button was broke. I had to get my browser through ninite

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    That’s because they’re a malware company:

    this has been going on in several different forms for years now so I’m just counting the days until the next annoying pop-up appears.

    The solution is to not use their products. Use Linux.

    • I would use Linux if my primary reasons for using a computer worked properly. Games are a lot better these days than it was and always improving so there is light at the end of the tunnel in that respect but Traktor DJ software not so much.

      As far as I know the only alternative on Linux is mixxx and that was just no where near as good the last time I used it. Maybe it is time to try it again…

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        If you’re hanging onto Windows for just one app, you could try running it in a virtual machine. I do that for a few work-related apps that have no Linux/web versions and it works great.

        You could also dual boot, if VM performance doesn’t quite cut it.

        • I have tried dual booting in the past but it becomes a pita for me as usually the majority of my time spent on a computer is using those things that only worked within windows so why change back just to say browse the web for example.

          In the past it was games that were a pain to run but I haven’t tried it in the last 3 years or so and know that it has gotten a lot better with the advent of steam giving a shit about Linux more so due in no small part I’m sure of the steam deck.

          The problem with virtual machines or WINE or whatever is the current standard for emulating a windows environment is that one application depends heavily on audio latency. It needs to run well and provide as close to zero latency as possible. Like I’ve said in a few other replies, maybe it is time I tried it out again as it has been a few years since I gave switching over a go, I need to have the time to put into getting it up and running and fixing any problems that arise however :D

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            Gaming these days is generally excellent thanks to Proton. Certain titles do still have issues, but it’s on a case by case basis.

            Audio latency is a good point - I don’t know how that fares under a VM these days. Pipewire has brought many improvements over Pulse, so it’s possible that the situation has also gotten better.

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            I used WineASIO with Guitar Rig for a long time and it worked well and with acceptably low latency. It can be a hassle to set up though and I don’t know how it plays along with pipewire these days.

        • When I tried it last I had problems fully mapping my controller in a way that it worked as expected as well as effects not being as good and overall functionality and work flow not being as smooth as polished as I’ve been used to using serato and then traktor.

          It has been a while since I tried it though so maybe I should give it another bash and see how it has improved over the years.

          How is the library management? That is one thing traitor fucking sucks at!

  • “We are aware of these reports and have paused this notification while we investigate and take appropriate action to address this unintended behavior,” says Caitlin Roulston, director of communications

    “”“unintended”“”?

    How do you implement shit like this by mistake and push it out to be executed on people’s computers by mistake?

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      Guys, I keep reading this, but it’s not the same thing. At all. You don’t want to get Google’s crap? You don’t visit their crap websites. There are so many websites in this world to visit to avoid Google’s crap. You just don’t type anything with google on it in your address bar. The only way to avoid Microsoft’s crap is to install another operating system in your desktop or laptop. It’s just not the same thing. At all.
      Microsoft should be forced to do what they have forced Google to do in Android. At least where I live, in EU. Ballon tips to have the option to use another browser and an option to disable Edge and all the crap asking all the time to use Edge. Like the android ballon tip and the option we have to at least disable Android Chrome.

      • I fully agree, as a person who actually likes windows, and who’s career it made in IT support, I’m sick of this BS they’re pulling. I want people to like windows (except Win11, fuck Win11) because is some ways it’s really awesome, but that’ll never happen like this.

      • Major difference: Android is open source and Linux-based. Everything is made up of components z which are quite close together, but can be separated. In Windows everything is glued together. You can’t separate it. You can’t remove explorer.exe (Windows’ window manager) and replace it with another. You can replace your android Launcher, and you can replace your Linux desktop environment. Heck, you can even install a tiling window manager on the MacOS, Apple’s locked down desktop OS!!! But not on Windows.

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          I am sorry but this doesn’t make sense. Chromium is an open source software and in no way is glued together with any operating system. Unless you want to glue it. They can just have edge WebView2… glued with the os the same way google has to use android webview when a webview is needed.
          Microsoft back in the days was forced to… unglue… Internet Explorer. And they managed to do it in a browser that was… glued in the first place. No OS has to glue anything no matter the source of it being open or closed. Unless they want to glue.
          Microsoft btw just… managed to unglue… Teams from Office… this is way more difficult to do. They will find a way to unglue Edge lol.

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        Debatable, considering all that’s stopping you from using it for free is a watermark and lack of personalization options.

        Plus, I’m using the Windows 10 Education key my college gave me, and my Windows 7 Home key from way back in the day would work too, as well as the Windows 8 key that came with my Surface Pro 3. The cost feels like a formality tbh.

          • While I agree with your general point, how is it illegal? If I download the ISO from windows, install and keep using it without activation? They aren’t blocking me from using it and I haven’t circumvented any prevention they have in place. What’s illegal here?

            • If they make it easy for you doesn’t mean it’s legal.

              It’s illegal to use windows without a license. As even stated in the license you agree before installing the os, this one, on section 5 Authorized Software and Activation.

              You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method

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    Slack successfully made Microsoft stop bundling Teams in Microsoft Office through an anti-competition complaint. I’m surprised Google lets them get away with abusing the Windows product as a platform for promoting a search engine. My best guess for why they don’t is that the promotion isn’t working.

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    At the moment I use Windows 10, in the past Windows 7 also along with Kubuntu and others. I think that W10 is the last usable OS from M$, because of this I am not going to update it to W11, the following W12 and the online version for monthly subscription, are going to gradually take over the user’s sovereignty over their own PC, with absolute control over it. I am going to continue W10, the gutted version that I use, until support ends in 2025 (probably 2026-27 due to the large number of users), then we will see what there is then as an alternative. Maybe I’ll install some distro in dual boot in the meantime, but being online 99% of the time, where the OS used is irrelevant, it doesn’t bother me that much at the moment. Anyway I don’t use Google or Bing for obvious reasons and none of their services.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    “We are aware of these reports and have paused this notification while we investigate and take appropriate action to address this unintended behavior,” says Caitlin Roulston, director of communications, in a statement to The Verge.

    I wasn’t alone in thinking it was malware, with posts dating back three months showing Reddit users trying to figure out why they were seeing the pop-up.

    Microsoft even had to backtrack on plans to force the Chrome default search to Bing for businesses installing its Office apps.

    After all, Google runs similar notifications on its webpages to get people to use Chrome or it’s annoying YouTube premium spam.

    That could be in the form of the price of a laptop that has a Windows OEM license baked in, or a product key if you built your own PC.

    Windows is an important productivity tool for many people, and shouldn’t be treated like a cheap streaming box loaded with ads.


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