Ukraine told critics of the pace of its three-month-old counteroffensive to "shut up" on Thursday, the sharpest signal yet of Kyiv's frustration at leaks from Western officials that say its forces are advancing too slowly.
  •  lntl   ( @lntl@lemmy.ml ) 
    33•10 months ago

    Haters gonna hate. Still though, they’ll need to be cordial if some of these critics are also paying Ukrainian bills. Being rude is the fast track to falling out of favor with foriegn taxpayers.

    •  RangerAndTheCat   ( @RangerAndTheCat@startrek.website ) 
      58•10 months ago

      They’re tired and weary from the onslaught of war fringe to safe their country from Putins aggression. Any dig at their progress is a dig at morale that spreads not only through the ranks, but also to the general public. There is a time for constructive criticism, but that should be done in private with actual solutions offered by those criticizing. I understand their needs to be some decorum but you can’t blame them for what I would consider a mild retort as their countrymen die trying to retake their land everyday.

  •  Rapidcreek   ( @Rapidcreek@reddthat.com ) 
    30•10 months ago

    Somewhere in the Pentagon there surely must be a series of rooms isolated for this war. In them intelligence is gathered, counterparts in Ukraine can be in instant contact, resources from both armies are tracked, tactics are formulated, simulations are run. How do I know this? Because this would be too good of a learning opportunity to pass up.

    And those folks ain’t talking.

    •  DrNeurohax   ( @DrNeurohax@kbin.social ) 
      26•10 months ago

      All those folks in the 50+ age group that grew up with “Russia is enemy #1” are probably cycling through waves of intense work and prolonged orgasm.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the first things considered in strategizing any armed conflict is whether they want Russia and China to know that we have X or are capable of Y. Russia has shown their hand. If they could do more, they would have by now.

      It has also taught NATO that Russia is still in the barbaric tactics mindset. Hospitals, schools, churches, shipping centers - they’re all valid targets. If Russia wants a position, they’ll level the entire town. That certainly changes the plans, of anyone thought they would abode by the Geneva Conventions.

      •  rastilin   ( @rastilin@kbin.social ) 
        15•10 months ago

        All those folks in the 50+ age group that grew up with “Russia is enemy #1” are probably cycling through waves of intense work and prolonged orgasm.

        The ones that haven’t suddenly decided that Russia is our best friend all of a sudden for some reason that I still can’t figure out. This is even considering that Russia was found to have been paying out bounties on dead American soldiers, or that they had people assassinated in the UK. Certainly it should be a disqualifier that Russia isn’t a true Democracy and had Putin’s political opponents jailed. Two Democracies won’t directly start a conflict against each other, but that doesn’t hold up between Democracies and non-Democracies.

        My hope is that as Russia runs out of money and organization to fund overseas psyops, the sheen will wear off.

        •  awwwyissss   ( @awwwyissss@lemm.ee ) 
          5•10 months ago

          My hope is that as Russia runs out of money and organization to fund overseas psyops, the sheen will wear off.

          Same, feels like the democracies of the world really got caught with their pants down by authoritarian operatives and their LLMs on social media.

        •  phoenixz   ( @phoenixz@lemmy.ca ) 
          4•10 months ago

          Putin will only run out of money once the price of oil nosedives.

          That won’t happen because Saudi Arabia has been squeezing oil output to keep the price high because they need the money for their countries transformation to a horror Show (different discussion required there) and they basically keep squeezing until the US gives them a whole lot of concessions that they don’t want to…

        •  argv_minus_one   ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 
          3•10 months ago

          The ones that haven’t suddenly decided that Russia is our best friend all of a sudden for some reason that I still can’t figure out.

          The reason is money. Either they got paid by Putin or they’ve been brainwashed by someone who got paid by Putin.

      •  gnuhaut   ( @gnuhaut@lemmy.ml ) 
        5•10 months ago

        It has also taught NATO that Russia is still in the barbaric tactics mindset.

        Oh those backwards Russians, still stuck in the past, where they were just a bunch of barbarian hordes. I assume the West, by contrast, has developed a civilized kind of warfare, as befitting their superior civilized culture? That’s what you’re saying, right?

        The civilized West would never… oh yeah they would and they did, repeatedly, and it was worse actually in e.g. Iraq. So all this “barbarism” shit is just racism with no basis in reality.

          •  gnuhaut   ( @gnuhaut@lemmy.ml ) 
            1•10 months ago

            Russia is still using barbaric tactics, according to the person I replied to. This implies that barbarism is typical (and backwards) of Russia, like that racist trope about barbaric Mongol hordes. It also implies that someone else (presumably NATO, which they mention) isn’t using barbaric tactics, which is blatantly untrue.

            I don’t understand how what you wrote is a addressing my post? What’s your point?

            •  figaro   ( @figaro@lemdro.id ) English
              8•10 months ago

              Has Russia been bombing civilian apartment buildings in Ukraine?

              Please note, I am asking nothing about NATO or America. I agree, the US has committed atrocities in other countries at war. I’m asking specifically if Russia has bombed civilian apartment buildings in Ukraine.

              •  gnuhaut   ( @gnuhaut@lemmy.ml ) 
                2•10 months ago

                So it’s not racist to say Russia is still in a barbaric mindset, because they are bombing apartment buildings in Ukraine? Is that it? Even though the way it was phrased implies that barbarism is typical of Russia and its history, and also falsely implies NATO isn’t barbaric and isn’t doing the same thing, and it’s a well-known racist trope?

                This person’s comment exhibits the common double standard of the good civilized nations vs. the uncivilized primitives bullshit, which is about the oldest racist narrative there is.

                •  figaro   ( @figaro@lemdro.id ) English
                  6•10 months ago

                  I didn’t say anything about the people. Every Russian person I have met is super nice.

                  Governments though, they suck. Governments bomb apartment buildings full of people. These particular governments are barbaric.

                  I think it is important to acknowledge that both the US government and the Russian government are responsible for terrible atrocities. It is not racist to say that.

  •  WuTang   ( @WuTang@lemmy.ninja ) English
    9•10 months ago

    As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country, I would say to these pain in the ass to shut up! Never seen such an arrogant people, they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!

      •  SpiderShoeCult   ( @SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz ) 
        12•10 months ago

        I… have some news for you.

        Sadly, this is the sort of shit parroted amongst less tech savy populations in countries with Ukranian refugees. Mostly older parents, grandparents, older aunts and uncles and such from Eastern Europe (the first port of call usually for refugees - neighboring countries). Hence why you don’t see it that often around here. It’s present in the west of Europe, as well.

        Also quite popular is ‘we can’t take care of our own [homeless people], but have you seen the amount of money that the government is pumping into them with their fancy cars?’

        Oh and “I’m sick and tired of hearing ukranian everywhere I go. The playground is full of ukranian children and their parents that don’t speak {local language}!”

        I suspect it’s russian propaganda, because nobody can be that stupid on their own, right?

        Like sure, they have audi q8s. What were they supposed to do? Leave them there and walk towards new places? And if your daughter/son was fleeing invaders, what would you think of the asshats that point at them and say ‘go away with yer fancy car!’? I thought we were all on the same page of not wanting russia as a neighbour in the near future. Apparently not. Somehow people running away from actual rape and murder are inconveniencing them.

        •  Hexadecimalkink   ( @Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml ) 
          1•10 months ago

          Your logic is that the rich Ukrainians that bribed their way out of the war should be allowed to enjoy their wealth while their countrymen die for their freedom, rather than sell their luxury cars to help the war effort? I think you’re a giant POS and would never want to know you IRL.

    •  BitPirate   ( @BitPirate@feddit.de ) 
      28•10 months ago

      As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country

      So you’re just jealous because they weren’t all beggars when the war broke out?

      they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!

      A lot of people are getting killed. They have every right to complain.

        •  BitPirate   ( @BitPirate@feddit.de ) 
          7•10 months ago

          So where are you on the other refugees who get nothing

          We didn’t buy those cars for them if that’s what you’re trying to imply here. Being a refugee doesn’t mean that you leave your country without any possessions or money.

          and are from even close countries than Ukraine? They get nothing because they’re not white, right?

          I’m not aware of any bonus for Ukrainian refugees that would set them apart from others. But feel free to cough up some facts.

    •  MHcharLEE   ( @MHcharLEE@lemdro.id ) English
      26•10 months ago

      Those are the ones you see. How do you tell a Ukrainian from your own countrymen on a bus? They’re not all rich, they’re not all assholes, they are where they are because they wanted to stay alive. And so would you if you were in their shoes, you dense fuck.

      •  WuTang   ( @WuTang@lemmy.ninja ) English
        3•10 months ago

        if you were in their shoes, explain to why this syrian, palestinian refugees has still no access to the work market or his children have access to school after 3years in our asylum while ukrainians get everything and for free?

        you dense fuck.

        I gently fuck you.

      •  WuTang   ( @WuTang@lemmy.ninja ) English
        5•10 months ago

        i’m a taxpayer and I don’t give a fuck about non-europeand and moreover corrupted countries regarding refugees, they should be treated like the others, no exclusive rights or benefits, waiting in line.

        it has nothing to do with being with one or the other.

    •  figaro   ( @figaro@lemdro.id ) English
      16•10 months ago

      Hey,

      I know you are getting downvoted and railed on pretty hard here, but please take this moment to reconsider some of your core beliefs and why you might feel the way you do.

      Are people fleeing their home country to get rich?

      •  WuTang   ( @WuTang@lemmy.ninja ) English
        5•10 months ago

        the question is why do they get privileges over other refugees?! their country is not wiped off like lybia or syria , UA is quite intact, so they shouldn’t even fly away and if so, we should not provide them wildcard access, but follow the process.

        they are refugees which lost everything, qualified and their country sent back to stone age: waiting in line for 3 to 5 years to just get access school, work market and co. They are at the image of their president, arrogant and ungrateful.

        I’m just an european taxpayer pissed of!

        •  shottymcb   ( @shottymcb@lemm.ee ) 
          3•10 months ago

          Is that the Ukrainians fault? They’re not the ones deciding how they’re being treated. They’re not the ones deciding how other refugees are treated either.

          Why are you mad at them instead of the people making those decisions?

      •  Blursty   ( @Blursty@lemmy.ml ) 
        3•10 months ago

        They got rich by being crooks in the most corrupt country in Europe. They fled the country they ruined and turned into a shithole vassal state of the USA. These are the worst Ukraine has to offer.

  •  AutoTL;DR   ( @autotldr@lemmings.world ) BEnglish
    5•10 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Nearly three months since launching a much vaunted counteroffensive using hundreds of billions of dollars of Western military equipment, Ukraine has recaptured more than a dozen villages but has yet to penetrate Russia’s main defences.

    Stories in the New York Times, Washington Post and other news organisations last week quoted U.S. and other Western officials as suggesting the offensive was falling short of expectations.

    Ukrainian commanders say they are moving slowly on purpose, degrading Russia’s defences and logistics to reduce losses when they finally attack at full strength.

    After months of fighting their way through heavy minefields, Ukraine’s forces have finally reached the main Russian defensive lines in recent days, south of the village of Robotyne which they captured last week in Western Zaporizhzhia region.

    They are now advancing in an area between the nearby villages of Novopokropivka and Verbove, looking for a way around the anti-tank ditches and rows of concrete pyramids known as dragon’s teeth that form Russia’s main fortifications visible from space.

    Russia is also facing the aftermath of a mutiny two months ago by Wagner, a private army that had formed the main attack force of its own winter offensive earlier this year.

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