I’ve noticed today that world@lemmy.world hasn’t had any new posts or comments for about a day now.
However when I go to https://lemmy.world/c/world in the browser there’s way more activity.
The post when on feddit.uk https://feddit.uk/post/2700378
Same post when on Lemmy.world https://lemmy.world/post/5717372?scrollToComments=true
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English15•9 months ago
So first priority is getting a list of admins so Tom can scoop them up on his King Arthur-like return. Or they can lead the exodus like Moses (other mythological analogies may apply):
- @tkc@feddit.uk is in
- @Xylinna@lemmy.world is in
- @blackn1ght@feddit.uk says they’ll do what they can
- @thehatfox@feddit.uk is thinking it over
- I’m prepared to pitch in if it helps spread the load
Anyone else?
edit:
- @GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk is in
- @flamingos@feddit.uk has offered help
- @Flax_vert@feddit.uk is up for helping
- Flax ( @Flax_vert@feddit.uk ) English5•9 months ago
I might be able to help out a wee bit. I have worked with servers before. I cannot make any commitments, though, and won’t be able to be fully responsible for any community type business -only technical
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English2•9 months ago
That’s great. I’ve added you to the list. There are enough volunteers that no one individual should have too much to do.
- Mex ( @Mex@feddit.uk ) English15•9 months ago
If Tom doesn’t sort this soon this is likely the deathknell of this instance.
Yup. We might want to start thinking of setting up a new instance with multiple admins and try and migrate as many communities from here over to it as we can and keep the user base.
I’d offer to set one up but I don’t have the time to set one up or maintain it.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English11•9 months ago
Yeah, it’s tricky to know when to pull the trigger as Tom may spring into action any time.
I think step one would be to rummage together a few people who would volunteer to Admin this instance if we can raise Tom, so he can slot them in if/when he reappears. That would mean we can get refederated and everything starts ticking along.
I’ve run my own website and know PHP/MySQL but Rust is something I’ve not looked into. However, updating and doing admin stuff might be relatively straightforward. I don’t know. I’m also unreliable, so it couldn’t just be me volunteering.
I’d offer to set one up but I don’t have the time to set one up or maintain it.
Are you knowledgeable enough to volunteer as an admin here? I imagine duties are light and if we can get a few people onboard it shouldn’t be too bad
Yeah, it’s tricky to know when to pull the trigger as Tom may spring into action any time.
Exactly yeah. We don’t want to act too soon, but also leaving it too late could mean the instance gets defederated by other big instances and people leave for other instances.
Are you knowledgeable enough to volunteer as an admin here? I imagine duties are light and if we can get a few people onboard it shouldn’t be too bad
To be honest I don’t know what’s involved. I’d need to look into how hosting works and what’s involved in things like upgrades. I’m a software engineer (dotnet C#, AWS mostly) so it wouldn’t be alien to me and I might be able to help out on a temporary basis but I can’t really commit to anything due to time.
- merridew ( @merridew@feddit.uk ) English4•9 months ago
Given my level of technical knowledge, I can confidently say that I am unable to offer support in any way.
But I’ll second that this is a great instance – one which I’ve really enjoyed seeing grow and begin to pick up steam – and anyone able to step up has my gratitude.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English4•9 months ago
To be honest I don’t know what’s involved.
Me neither. I may spin up an instance to have a nos around but I assume the general Admin business is a bit like the administration of a web forum in which there’s a backend with relevant tools and the settings, presumably a way to upgrade from there. I’m pretty familiar with that kind of thing over the years.
Access to the actual server is likely to be different again but if there is a web admin panel then getting a few people signed up to that should help at least resolve the current issues.
- tkc ( @tkc@feddit.uk ) 2•9 months ago
I’ve got dev/sys admin experience, so happy to help out, I’m just probably not the most reliable, but it seems like we would have a few candidates to help pitch in, so between like 5? of us (presumably including Tom), the duties should be light if we share the load.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English1•9 months ago
I’ve read that 5-6 is a decent number of Admins for an instance as it provides redundancy and spreads the work out so no one person feels like it is too much hassle.
- GreatAlbatross ( @GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk ) English5•9 months ago
Tom was discussing more admins previously iirc. I think if that happens within a reasonable time, and enough people are added to keep responses prompt, the site will be ok.
However, if it continues with absence, it’s not a good situation. Especially when images are stored locally, all it takes is some malicious party spamming horrible images (or potentially even CSAM), and the site would be a smoking crater.
- spacedogroy ( @spacedogroy@feddit.uk ) English9•9 months ago
I think this is probably the highest risk, in my opinion. I honestly think Lemmy needs some automated solution to monitoring and scanning for CSAM content, because as a user I don’t want to exposed to it and as an admin I wouldn’t want to be in the position where I am responsible for censoring it.
I think lemmy.world have kind of made a good point here: we need an admin in place who’s reactive and willing to maintain the server regularly - in a moderation and a technical sense - or we should consider migrating to a larger instance.
This is no dig at @tom as he’s done a phenomenal job here and has undoubtedly spent time and money in creating this instance, but it would be good to get a sense off him whether he really feels he wants to continue on with the project. If not, it should lead to a larger discussion of where to go from here, because I don’t think the status quo is sustainable.
- mackwinston ( @mackwinston@feddit.uk ) 1•9 months ago
What’s CSAM? (I don’t want to google it, it sounds “risky” from the context).
- fakeman_pretendname ( @fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk ) 1•9 months ago
It basically means “pornography with children in it”, though I’m unsure of the specifics of the abbreviation, and likewise don’t want to google it.
- Zoop ( @Zoop@beehaw.org ) 4•9 months ago
It stands for child sexual abuse material if I remember correctly
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English7•9 months ago
Tom was discussing more admins previously iirc. I think if that happens within a reasonable time, and enough people are added to keep responses prompt, the site will be ok.
Yes, it’s easily fixed, so no need to start panicking yet.
I’ve emailed Tom, I’ve spoken to some else who has used another email address, we’ll get this sorted. Hopefully, pretty quickly.
- GreatAlbatross ( @GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk ) English5•9 months ago
I think maybe the best action is to draw up plans for a new instance, in public on here.
That way, if Tom returns, the plans can be used to continue/help this instance.If he doesn’t, then eventually the plans can be used for a new instance.
It might be worth having a discord/mailing list or similar, not for the planning, but to give a location for discussions to happen if the instance vanished suddenly.- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English12•9 months ago
I think maybe the best action is to draw up plans for a new instance, in public on here. That way, if Tom returns, the plans can be used to continue/help this instance.
That’s my thinking - I posted about it somewhere else in this thread.
If we can get volunteers to admin, then Tom only has to swoop in, promote them and we’ll get refederated.
If the worst happens, we have admins in place to migrate to a new instance.
It might be worth having a discord/mailing list or similar, not for the planning, but to give a location for discussions to happen if the instance vanished suddenly.
I started a feddit.uk Matrix space. It’s handy to have in case the server goes down for whatever reason (lemmy.world started their Discord server because of all the DDoS attacks and now have a Matrix space).
- tkc ( @tkc@feddit.uk ) 4•9 months ago
Is that the same one we’re on with a few others?
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English4•9 months ago
This is an different one as we clearly need a general space just in case.
- clara ( @clara@feddit.uk ) 4•9 months ago
i have saved this matrix link as a backup, if things get bad here i will join
should we post this over to feddit.uk meta forum too? it might be good to have a “here’s our lifeboat link, you should join now” post present on that forum, while we still can?
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English3•9 months ago
Is the forum this one or am I missing something (or not been invited)? If the former, then I have posted a link (t)here.
- clara ( @clara@feddit.uk ) 2•9 months ago
yep that’s the one, all good
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English2•9 months ago
Excellent, everything seems all linked up.
- tkc ( @tkc@feddit.uk ) 1•9 months ago
Did you save it on your Lemmy client or elsewhere, as if it’s on Lemmy, it may be better to join now rather than later, as you would like lose access.
- clara ( @clara@feddit.uk ) 1•9 months ago
i will join as soon as i have a clear head, i’ve been travelling for a thing the past 2 days, i need some downtime to get my mind around matrix, lemmy was bad enough lol. i’m aware it’s the same sort of fediverse deal. see you all there soon
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English7•9 months ago
Yes, that’s my concern. I’ll take my best shot at contacting Tom now.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English15•9 months ago
Yes it looks like we were defederated for lack of admin activity.
Links:
Yeah I thought this might be the case. It’s possibly a little pre-emptive unless there’s a bunch of feddit.uk users who are causing trouble and it’s just easier for them to do this, but it’s a bit shit that we all lose access to one of the biggest instances because they can’t reach our admin? They mention there’s other instances too, I wonder which those are.
I had noticed that Tom has been very quiet recently, we could definitely see if he’d be open to allowing more admins when he’s next around.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English9•9 months ago
As far as I’m aware there haven’t been any major trolling incidents (unlike some recent additions to that list) and it seems to be largely down to having a single, currently inactive Admin.
It has been raised with @Tom@feddit.uk before but, obviously, this has become a bit more serious and urgent. I’ll do what I can to contact him.
- clara ( @clara@feddit.uk ) 3•9 months ago
he’s been quiet for the last 2 months, no response to any messages i sent :(
i hope nothing serious happened
- Tatters ( @Tatters@feddit.uk ) 8•9 months ago
This is a real shame, I like our little community here, but without lw content it is too small to be sustainable, in my opinion. Also factor in that there is no active admin, then this may be the end.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English8•9 months ago
It’s not over until it’s over, I’m not out of tricks yet but it is amazing how much stroke L.W have - defederate somewhere and you kinda kill it off.
- merridew ( @merridew@feddit.uk ) English4•9 months ago
Thanks for confirming.
- merridew ( @merridew@feddit.uk ) English14•9 months ago
The “bus factor” is the minimum number of team members that have to suddenly disappear from a project before the project stalls due to lack of knowledgeable or competent personnel.
I guess our bus factor is currently 1.
- clara ( @clara@feddit.uk ) 11•9 months ago
pls come back @tom we need you, even to just delegate the admin over to any one of us. we can sort it out somehow.
- merridew ( @merridew@feddit.uk ) English10•9 months ago
Instances blocked by lemmy.world include:
- skinheads.[x]
- breastmilk.[x]
- cum.[x]
- kiwifarms.[x]
- pedo.[x]
- hexbear
and now
Well… hmm.
I know some people don’t care for the British but still.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English8•9 months ago
You could say, we aren’t their cup of tea.
It’s not like we don’t say sorry enough.
Who even creates those instances?! Must be trolls surely.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English10•9 months ago
Shhhh or hexbear will hear you.
Log off liberal Western fascist scum!
poopballs.jpg
hitlerdetector.jpg
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English3•9 months ago
Good effort.
- LogarithmicCamel ( @LogarithmicCamel@feddit.uk ) 10•9 months ago
I think we should give this a week and then make plans to create a new instance. I’ve already created an account somewhere else, but I am quite fond of this instance.
- bedbeard ( @bedbeard@feddit.uk ) English6•9 months ago
I also like what I have seen in this instance and it’d be a shame to be forced to leave it. It also worries me a bit how dependent we are on individuals in some fediverse communities. I actually first migrated to kbin from reddit, but many of the communities/magazines ended up overwhelmed with spam or completely dead due to sole inactive moderators.
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English6•9 months ago
Yes, that single point of failure is one we have to address when Tom returns or we start a new instance. Short term getting a team of admins in place is critical, then we need to make sure the finances are solid so it can keep running as long as there’s interest in it.
- SbisasCostlyTurnover ( @Oneeightnine@feddit.uk ) English2•9 months ago
That’s actually why I moved from Kbin over to Lemmy, It seemed much more healthy and thriving platform. That said, I’ve noticed (on feddit specific) that an awful lot of the content is coming through the same 11-15 people. Great effort on their part to grow the community, but I’m it sure how sustainable that is in the long run.
- UKFilmNerd ( @UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk ) English10•9 months ago
Oh, bollox! I hope this can get sorted out soon. I really like it here, so much nicer than Reddit. Plus I got to moderate a community!! Thanks @Emperor@feddit.uk. I’d like to carry on doing that.
TOM!!
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English5•9 months ago
We’ll get it sorted one way or another.
- SbisasCostlyTurnover ( @Oneeightnine@feddit.uk ) English9•9 months ago
This explains why all my obviously incredible content has been failing to hit…
In all seriousness, what’s the move here if Tom doesn’t get back to us?
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English3•9 months ago
This explains why all my obviously incredible content has been failing to hit…
I had been thinking it had gone awfully quiet. I thought it might have been something I said. 😜
- florge ( @florge@feddit.uk ) 7•9 months ago
Have we been refederated? Just seen a recent post on a lemmy.world community and it looks to be up to date:
Yep - you can check here - https://lemmy.world/instances - we’re no longer in the blocked list.
- florge ( @florge@feddit.uk ) 4•9 months ago
Still no news from Tom though?
- ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝 ( @Emperor@feddit.uk ) English4•9 months ago
I’m not aware of anyone having spoken to him.
- tkc ( @tkc@feddit.uk ) 4•9 months ago
I think you’re right. I see up to date posts and comments. I could vote and comment on posts, and I can see my comment when I’m not logged in.
- GreatAlbatross ( @GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk ) English7•9 months ago
There are issues with several instances, from what I can tell. And they’re causing issues with moderation.
I won’t elaborate much more, as I still haven’t heard back from Tom.
But if they’re not resolved soon, we’re going to eventually have a big problem.