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As far as I see that instance is a far-right cess pool. Everything I’ve got from that instance were low-quality transphobic “news articles”.

      • kbity ( kbity@kbin.social ) 
        12·
        3 years ago

        If enough of the community makes it sufficiently clear that we’re not going to let them peddle their Nazi bullshit unopposed, including by taking whatever moderator actions are possible to get rid of them, most of the Nazis will go somewhere else and we’ll only have to deal with the typical number of Nazis for an internet platform rather than become inundated with them. Making them unwelcome by any means necessary is the name of the game.

      • kbity ( kbity@kbin.social ) 
        3·
        3 years ago

        If enough of the community makes it sufficiently clear that we’re not going to let them peddle their Nazi bullshit unopposed, including by taking whatever moderator actions are possible to get rid of them, most of the Nazis will go somewhere else and we’ll only have to deal with the typical number of Nazis for an internet platform rather than become inundated with them. Making them unwelcome by any means necessary is the name of the game.

      • kbity ( kbity@kbin.social ) 
        18·
        3 years ago

        My criteria for what makes “a Nazi” are something like this.

        1. A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept, that reproducing outside one’s race is inherently wrong, and that some races are inherently superior to others; most often the superior groups are “white”, while the “inferior” groups include Africans, Jews and travelling people

        2. Reverence for cultural “tradition”, real or imagined, with any departure from these traditions classified as “degenerate” and dangerous to society. For example, a belief that avant-garde art is immoral and without value because it doesn’t root itself in what are popularly perceived to be the artistic traditions of “the west”, a neat line from Greek marble statues to Wagner.

        3. Hatred of diversity, seeing it as a plague that rots a society. For example, the belief that women are unfit to hold a social position outside of motherhood, that non-heterosexual sexualities are “degenerate”, that allowing people from another race to exist in your race’s society inevitably leads to that society’s destruction, that gender as a concept is a “mental illness” because only two biological sexes exist and each biological sex has a set-in-stone role demanding a certain presentation and certain values, that societies which follow one religion must not allow followers of another religion to exist within it.

        4. Heavy use of absolutism. Everything is either wholly good or wholly bad. Nothing can be a mix of good and bad, or neutral. And everything is a matter of utmost urgency. Anything that is “bad” is an existential threat to all that is “good” and must be immediately and utterly annihilated.

        5. An authoritarian outlook. Anything opposed by a Nazi must be forbidden by the full force of the law. There is no space for differences of opinion, or a nuanced debate, or reviewing the facts. If they oppose something, whether it’s big or small - the use of marijuana, reformative justice programs, abortion, media with female protagonists - it must be banned under pain of death.

        6. Violence. To a Nazi, the use of violence isn’t an escalation, but the norm. They have no qualms about beating people to death simply for espousing an opposing view, or even just for existing if some aspect of their existence offends their beliefs. Likewise, their rhetoric often alludes to the indiscriminate or nonchalant, even gleeful use of deadly force - “physical removal”, “showers”, etc.

        7. Shameless hypocrisy. The people who say “facts not feelings” as a rebuttal are often the same people whose beliefs are motivated almost entirely by feelings, and will happily mock others for trying to use evidence in their arguments instead of simply saying “it’s common sense”. They will shame someone for being rude and aggressive while also calling them the N word and telling them that on “the day of the rope”, they’ll be among the dead.

        8. Veneration of strong leaders and mocking of “weakness”. Consensus-builders are seen as spineless “cucks”, while people who enforce their every arbitrary whim with total force are held up as “based” exemplars of good leadership and models to be emulated. People who are comfortably being themselves in ways that aren’t conventionally masculine are addressed with slurs and told to kill themselves while ignorant, bullying asshats are applauded for “rustling jimmies”.

        You can meet all of these criteria without being a member of a National-Socialist party, or even identifying as a Nazi, but if you do meet most or all of them, your ideology can be pretty confidently described as Nazi-like.

        • yarr ( yarr@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
          9·
          3 years ago

          By the way, cheers to you for actually answering the question. I’ve seen “BAN NAZIS” before, but I haven’t really understood what the requestors are looking to ban, and when questioned they seem to disappear quickly.

        • yarr ( yarr@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
          2·
          3 years ago

          This seems pretty well thought out.

          I’m a little confused by: “A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept”. If I was born in Spain and my whole family has lived there for centuries, am I not Spanish / a Spaniard?

          I’d agree that saying things like “all Spaniards are terrible at math” is racist, but I don’t see how one’s race is mutable in this fashion.

          • kbity ( kbity@kbin.social ) 
            8·
            3 years ago

            I’m a little confused by: “A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept”. If I was born in Spain and my whole family has lived there for centuries, am I not Spanish / a Spaniard?

            Spanish would be a good description of your ethnic background in that situation, but there are quite a number of ethnic identities within Spain as well - the Basque, Galicians and Catalans, just to name a few. “Spanish” isn’t a racial monolith. There would be plenty of people whose ethnic background looks quite different to yours but who are no less Spanish.

            What I mean in that statement is that Nazis believe that “race” - as in “Germanic”, “Hispanic”, “Black” (they tend to lump all sub-Saharan Africans together), “Middle Eastern” - is a useful way of classifying people, and that substantial differences in things like intelligence and physiology between humans are primarily the result of these categorisations.

            • yarr ( yarr@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
              1·
              3 years ago

              Spanish would be a good description of your ethnic background in that situation, but there are quite a number of ethnic identities within Spain as well - the Basque, Galicians and Catalans, just to name a few. “Spanish” isn’t a racial monolith. There would be plenty of people whose ethnic background looks quite different to yours but who are no less Spanish.

              But none of that is mutable, is it?

              • kbity ( kbity@kbin.social ) 
                5·
                3 years ago

                Your DNA isn’t going to change, but those ethnic groups are transient things rather than an inherent feature of reality. An ethnic group is ultimately a relative thing. Some “African-American” people might be genetically closer to the African people from whom their ancestors came than the other ethnic groups living in America, but they’re not simply “African” - they are a separate diaspora. Those ethnic groups change their makeups over time.

                It’s not like, say, elements. 1,000 years from now, the average genetic makeup of any given ethnic group will be observably different from how it is today, but a Hydrogen atom will still be defined in exactly the same way as now. Nazis believe that races are a concrete, reified structure that doesn’t shift over time - it is a “pure” and “natural” state that becomes degraded and diluted by what they term miscegenation, rather than a fuzzy construct that changes over time.

                Let’s say you were born in Spain and your whole family has lived there for centuries, but your family are black - say, some of your ancestors arrived from North Africa long ago. I would still call you Spanish, but a Nazi would call you African (or more likely some kind of slur). They care about the colour of your skin more than your actual background. Likewise, no matter how many generations your family has lived in a country or how well they pass, Nazis assert that if any of your ancestors was a Jew, you are also a Jew, and that as a Jew, you are inherently inferior to non-Jews and consequently a racial contaminant.

                • stonemilker ( stonemilker@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
                  2·
                  3 years ago

                  Just adding to this, following this same supposedly biological argument that advocates for a natural and morally correct path for the furthering of genetic lineages, Nazis persecuted homosexuality, bisexuality and trans people as a national policy, shutting down sexology research institutes, literally burning years of scientific advancements, and revoking official acknowledgements the Weimar Republic granted transgender people. It’s often forgotten, but the inherent homophobia, biphobia and transphobia of neonazis and adjacent movements is not a recent development at all: https://www.advocate.com/news/holocaust-lgbtq-victims-german-parliament

                • yarr ( yarr@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
                  1·
                  3 years ago

                  I wonder how anyone stereotyping individuals based on far-distant ancestors square up these beliefs with hominid evolution. I guess the answer is “they don’t”.

      • kbity ( kbity@kbin.social ) 
        1·
        3 years ago

        My criteria for what makes “a Nazi” are something like this.

        1. A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept, that reproducing outside one’s race is inherently wrong, and that some races are inherently superior to others; most often the superior groups are “white”, while the “inferior” groups include Africans, Jews and travelling people

        2. Reverence for cultural “tradition”, real or imagined, with any departure from these traditions classified as “degenerate” and dangerous to society. For example, a belief that avant-garde art is immoral and without value because it doesn’t root itself in what are popularly perceived to be the artistic traditions of “the west”, a neat line from Greek marble statues to Wagner.

        3. Hatred of diversity, seeing it as a plague that rots a society. For example, the belief that women are unfit to hold a social position outside of motherhood, that non-heterosexual sexualities are “degenerate”, that allowing people from another race to exist in your race’s society inevitably leads to that society’s destruction, that gender as a concept is a “mental illness” because only two biological sexes exist and each biological sex has a set-in-stone role demanding a certain presentation and certain values, that societies which follow one religion must not allow followers of another religion to exist within it.

        4. Heavy use of absolutism. Everything is either wholly good or wholly bad. Nothing can be a mix of good and bad, or neutral. And everything is a matter of utmost urgency. Anything that is “bad” is an existential threat to all that is “good” and must be immediately and utterly annihilated.

        5. An authoritarian outlook. Anything opposed by a Nazi must be forbidden by the full force of the law. There is no space for differences of opinion, or a nuanced debate, or reviewing the facts. If they oppose something, whether it’s big or small - the use of marijuana, reformative justice programs, abortion, media with female protagonists - it must be banned under pain of death.

        6. Violence. To a Nazi, the use of violence isn’t an escalation, but the norm. They have no qualms about beating people to death simply for espousing an opposing view, or even just for existing if some aspect of their existence offends their beliefs. Likewise, their rhetoric often alludes to the indiscriminate or nonchalant, even gleeful use of deadly force - “physical removal”, “showers”, etc.

        7. Shameless hypocrisy. The people who say “facts not feelings” as a rebuttal are often the same people whose beliefs are motivated almost entirely by feelings, and will happily mock others for trying to use evidence in their arguments instead of simply saying “it’s common sense”. They will shame someone for being rude and aggressive while also calling them the N word and telling them that on “the day of the rope”, they’ll be among the dead.

        8. Veneration of strong leaders and mocking of “weakness”. Consensus-builders are seen as spineless “cucks”, while people who enforce their every arbitrary whim with total force are held up as “based” exemplars of good leadership and models to be emulated. People who are comfortably being themselves in ways that aren’t conventionally masculine are addressed with slurs and told to kill themselves while ignorant, bullying asshats are applauded for “rustling jimmies”.

        You can all of these criteria without being a member of a National-Socialist party, or even identifying as a Nazi, but if you do meet most or all of them, your ideology can be pretty confidently described as Nazi-like.

  • tookmyname ( tookmyname@lemmy.ml ) English
    38·
    3 years ago

    Bigotry should be banned, and removed from this instance. That means not allowing bigotry on our instance. That means defederating from less clever wannabe 4chans, and less moderated The_D replacements.

    They can enjoy their shithole federation.

  • Milan ( milan@discuss.tchncs.de ) English
    22·
    3 years ago

    I am trying to examen the instance, it would have been helpful to have some pointers to speed up the process although it somehow sounds like a familiar domain. It sounds like such content at least was against their rules. but that of course does not have to mean much.

    Looking at the comments from their team is no good impression to say the least hmm

    Update: found some more potential evidence that they are not welcoming nazis, but i think there are quite a few misinformation and “the usual” shitpost things on there that are not very … enjoyable (and of course as the op implies, transphobic trash and such as to expect from a shitpost instance).

        • MadMaurice ( madmaurice@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
          4·
          3 years ago

          I called it a hint, but it’s rather obvious, in-your-face information. When you open a post it shows you the Community in at least 3 different spots. It’s nobody else’s fault that that’s not enough for you.

          • FaceDeer ( FaceDeer@kbin.social ) 
            1·
            3 years ago

            You’re making the same not-necessarily-true assumption that OP is making.

            In Kbin, which I am using to view this instead of Lemmy, it shows it in two places that are both well disconnected from the content of the post itself. There are a bunch of different 3rd party apps being developed for both Kbin and Lemmy right now with various UIs, I haven’t viewed this in any of them yet. I also haven’t viewed it in Mastodon, which I’m told can be used to view Lemmy and Kbin threads. There are innumerable different possible UIs out there in the Fediverse.

            And even then, it’s still possible in this case for OP to have been discussing petitioning everyone to defederate from exploding-heads. That’s a reasonable alternate interpretation and I can’t read OP’s mind, only what they wrote.

            What I’m suggesting is that we should keep in mind that the only thing that people are guaranteed to see about a post is the actual post, there’s no way of knowing what the surrounding context is going to be. The place you’re posting it is not the only place it will be seen.

      • FaceDeer ( FaceDeer@kbin.social ) 
        2·
        3 years ago

        It appeared on kbin.social’s “all” feed.

        Perhaps it would be a good feature to be able to flag a community as “local only” to prevent it from federating at all, for this kind of thing.

  • randomperson ( randomperson@kbin.social ) 
    17·
    3 years ago

    I am against defederations being decided by instance admins. Lemmy needs (kbin being more mature project at least has domain blocking) tools to let users decide themselves what they want or don’t want to see. Are you an adult or you need others to decide for you? I have blocked lemmygrad and other tankie/nazi (same shit) instances (domains) myself. If I don’t want to see eg. transgender stuff then I don’t cry about it but just block it. Grow a pair and do the same.

    • sudo ( sudo@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
      7·
      3 years ago

      While I disagree with your opinion on admins, I appreciate the sentiment. But if you want to be on an instance that isn’t defederated or view any content, run you own instance.

      That said, the ability for users to moderate the content they see on their own profile could definitely use more flexibility. The ability to block communities as a user is good, but they should absolutely also be able to block instances on their own. Beyond that, the ability to filter out content based on keywords (title, content, urls) would also be a nice addition.

      Coming from RiF on Android, the app had filtering and let me say, being able to block Elon, Kanye, Meta, TikTok, a bunch of shit spewing fascists, etc made my Reddit viewing experience much better. This was, of course, after already leaving all of the default subs and finding niche communities but for some reason people had a hard-on for those topics and I could literally not care any less about them.

    • hi65435 ( hi65435@discuss.tchncs.de ) English
      3·
      3 years ago

      I have blocked lemmygrad

      so did I

      and other tankie/nazi (same shit) instances (domains) myself.

      didn’t see that yet but at least some user with a name in that direction.

      Anyway, I found it quite not amusing to see this stuff on my second day of using Lemmy - which was 2 weeks ago or so. Honestly, I’ve seen enough online communities degenerate and having a few power users/enthusiasts who like fine tuning every setting is not enough to get a healthy community going.

      I think if Lemmy doesn’t get it’s shit together in that regard, it’ll be like Mastodon where there are alt-right communities powered by it and then another normal (or whatever you want to call it?) part. However I’ve been quite surprised when my first subscriber was some alt-right dude. That was enough for me to delete my account.

      At the moment I see chances 50/50 that Lemmy can make it. But this highly depends on:

      1. making it convenient for non-technical people (discoverability across instances)
      2. have a reasonable filtering system (if it’s fully democratic and it works that would be awesome. but to be realistic, that would be a first…)
      • Kantiberl ( Kantiberl@kbin.social ) 
        9·
        3 years ago

        While it’s crucial to oppose harmful ideologies like Nazism, we must be wary of how we define such harmful groups. If we broaden these definitions arbitrarily, we risk encapsulating people who merely differ politically, diluting the term’s significance and unjustifiably alienating individuals. In doing so, we inadvertently shrink our own communities, polarizing society to the extent where a moderate viewpoint might be mistaken for extremism. Right-leaning communities fall into this trap as well, resulting in fragmented realities where each group exists in its own echo chamber. This division deepens societal fissures and undermines moderate views, which, in my belief, are grounded in reality and thus instrumental in achieving balanced discourse.

        • artisanrox ( artisanrox@kbin.social ) 
          11·
          3 years ago

          Soooooo here’s a helpful hint to tamp down that utter confusion you seem to be having:

          The guys who want armed guard genital inspectors in front of every bathroom are the bad guys.

          • Kantiberl ( Kantiberl@kbin.social ) 
            6·
            3 years ago

            Who exactly holds the authority to label ‘the bad guys’? Sure, some actions are undeniably harmful, but does that warrant placing all perceived wrongdoers in the same category, from internet trolls to murderers? Is there no nuance or room for varying degrees of transgressions? I hope you can ask yourself if you’re always on the side of righteousness, or might you be perceived as 'the bad guy" from another perspective? It’s important to understand that the world is not simply binary, and such a mindset can dangerously oversimplify complex issues.

            • artisanrox ( artisanrox@kbin.social ) 
              6·
              3 years ago

              Who exactly holds the authority to label ‘the bad guys’?

              People who don’t get their rocks off by investing more effort into hating the marginalized.

              This isn’t about me and this isn’t about subtlety. On the whole LGBT+haters are nazi adjacent and they get a kick out of hating the marginalized, and they do it VERY LOUDLY.

              Like literally it’s the AMERICA FIRST!ers here that are now specifically hating on like the two or three trans people in each state who play sports, and like the maybe handful of total trans people in each state in comparison to state population.

              • Kantiberl ( Kantiberl@kbin.social ) 
                4·
                3 years ago

                Sounds to me like you group everyone who has an even remotely different viewpoint than you in to one category so you can easily hate and discredit them all without ever actually thinking critically.

                You’re just bringing up ideas you don’t like and then creating a strawman character that you can hate. You know they think the same way about you right? Do you not see how this leads to misinformation and unnecessary hatred? Solving nothing and creating even more division is not something I will stand behind.

            • Chetzemoka ( Chetzemoka@kbin.social ) 
              3·
              3 years ago

              What you are suggesting is that we, as a society, are incapable of discerning right from wrong and enforcing societal norms at all ever. Because who knows? Who has the power to determine these things?? hand wringing, pearl clutching

              Let me tell you who: Anyone with two brain cells and a heart. Fascism has a clear definition. People who are being called Nazis because they openly hate and advocate for the genocide of trans people are being called Nazis because THEY ARE ACTING LIKE NAZIS.

              We absolutely have no obligation to air their bigoted, make believe grievances in public. We have every right to shut them down and shut them up to protect vulnerable minority populations.

              Stop JAQing off and pretending otherwise.

              • Kantiberl ( Kantiberl@kbin.social ) 
                4·
                3 years ago

                Nazis exist, and they are abhorrent. But is it fair to label the entire community of exploding-heads as such? Or, is it that the platform tolerates a broader range of discourse than you are comfortable with? Yes, Nazis may be part of the mix, but so too might be their staunch opponents. Assigning people to preconceived boxes based on assumed beliefs isn’t conducive to understanding. While we concur on opposing Nazis, I refuse to disregard an entire group’s perspectives because I may disagree with some. It’s crucial to engage with opposing views for a balanced discourse, a principle applicable to everyone.

            • activepeople ( activepeople@kbin.social ) 
              2·
              3 years ago

              Realistically, whoever is the admin of the instance can decide to block another instance for any reason, or no reason at all. Admins of threadiverse sites are maintaining (and owning) these instances as a hobby. If they decide they don’t want to look at content about penguins during their leisure time, they can just … block them.

              Since threadiverse is a bit less mature than the mastodon ecosystem, there aren’t any “big” democratically owned and managed instances, so most people are stuck with benevolent dictator for life situations.

              Edit: Also, if an admin doesn’t want penguin content stored on their servers (which they pay for), it’s a bit strange to say they must store content they don’t like on what is essentially their personal machine.

          • Pelicanen ( Pelicanen@kbin.social ) 
            4·
            3 years ago

            Right, they never stated otherwise, but transphobic measures doesn’t necessarily make one a nazi. It makes you awful but there are different kinds of awful than just nazism. The risk of calling everyone a nazi is that you dilute what the word actually means so that you risk generalizing and uniting the awful people instead of separating them based on their various horrendous opinions.

        • ReCursing ( ReCursing@kbin.social ) 
          1·
          3 years ago

          You’re not entirely wrong, but when we are actually talking about actual literal self-declared fascists who are obviously talking and acting fascistic, then it definitely does apply. This is a long way past any sort of grey area, dude!

          • Kantiberl ( Kantiberl@kbin.social ) 
            2·
            3 years ago

            This is where the need for nuance comes in. If we were dealing with a platform overrun by advocates for genocide, then defederation would be a reasonable step. But the lack of nuance creates an issue. If any perspective slightly outside your tolerance threshold is immediately labeled as Nazi, where do we draw the line? At what point on the right or the left spectrum does a viewpoint become unacceptable? The challenge lies in defining these boundaries and promoting dialogue without promoting hate.

      • Ragnell ( Ragnell@kbin.social ) 
        6·
        3 years ago

        Slight tangent: It’s been a recurring post on tumblr and mastodon that the Paradox of Tolerance is resolved when you consider tolerance to be a social contract rather than a moral standard. In that case, if someone does not uphold their end of the contract than the contract doesn’t apply to them.

        If you do not tolerate me, I do not have to tolerate you.

        As Nazism is based on intolerance of other views, there is no requirement for tolerating Naziism.

        The same applies to terfism. “Trans-EXCLUSIONARY radical feminism” is the acronym, it is a philosophy based on not tolerating trans people, and therefore there is no need to tolerate them.

        Contrast to say, furries, who are weird but who are defined by their enthusiasm for something rather than an exclusion of other interests. Furries, as a group are covered under the tolerance social contract.

          • Dangdoggo ( Dangdoggo@kbin.social ) 
            1·
            3 years ago

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    • sensibilidades ( sensibilidades@kbin.social ) 
      10·
      3 years ago

      A lot of free speech arguments falter in situations like these, imo, since they are predicated on the speech involved being genuine feelings/ideas/emotions. Troll groups like explodingheads and /r/the_donald are/were less about exchanging ideas and more about inflicting ideas on others. When the_donald was isolated, their community essentially started to die because there wasn’t much genuine interest in discussing politics - their only interest was in ‘redpilling normies’.

      • Hyperreality ( Hyperreality@kbin.social ) 
        5·
        3 years ago

        Ugh. Time to post that always relevant Sartre quote again. I hate that it’s still relevant almost 80 years later:

        “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

      • DessertStorms ( DessertStorms@kbin.social ) 
        1·
        3 years ago

        I think it’s really dangerous to dismiss the speech they spread as not their genuine feelings/ideas/emotions, because even if the troll doesn’t believe it personally, by spreading it anyway, they are absolutely bolstering those who do, and there are many.

        You have to look at where these ideas are born from and who benefits from them, not pretend no one actually holds them because that’s demonstrably not true.

        • sensibilidades ( sensibilidades@kbin.social ) 
          2·
          3 years ago

          I should refine what I said. I think they genuinely believe many of the things they espouse, but they (1) espouse many things they don’t believe in an effort to bring in outsiders with less harsh ideas before acclimating them to the intensity (“I’m as gay and liberal as they come, but even I can see how the trans movement has become largely exclusionary and radical”) and (2) this is more about what the purpose of the community is, rather than the individuals. The individuals that are trolls can just be blocked, even if it becomes tedious when they grab new accounts. The community itself has a purpose, however, and that purpose can be either focused “internally” (members are discussing things amongst themselves) or “externally” (members largely discuss how to affect other communities). I think worries about freedom of speech or the silencing of honestly held (and expressed) beliefs are largely worried about the former (which may be more earnest), but a lot of the toxic communities are the latter, where there is very little that is expressed in earnest on the platform, because earnest conversations aren’t the purpose of the community. They’re little more than staging grounds on a given platform to try and either recruit outsiders or annoy their political opponents. I think this last aspect is the worst part, since communities like the_donald only really shared a communal love of annoying ‘the libs’ or left wing ideas in general, and the only purpose of the community was to be shitty.

          • DessertStorms ( DessertStorms@kbin.social ) 
            2·
            3 years ago

            I agree with you there (especially on that last point - they literally come looking for us so they can bully us then claim victim. every. fucking. time.) and appreciate the clarification, I think this kind of nuance is important to get in to especially when there seems to be a rise in bad faith users in these discussions (and those who are perhaps on the fence, who they target with their playing down of the hate).

    • Double_A ( Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de ) OP
      8·
      3 years ago

      The issue with some instances is that most if not all communites / magazines are awful.

      The best solution would be if Lemmy would let Users block whole instances, and Server Admins could create a default block list that users can still edit for themselves. And Community Admins should be able to block members from certain instances from participating.

    • jalda ( jalda@kbin.social ) 
      7·
      3 years ago

      Some people, like Elon Musk, want us to believe that social networks are a “digital town square”, but imo that’s a pretty poor metaphor. Social networks are more similar to “digital pubs”. They are places where you go to meet, chat and share with your people. Of course it is a public place, and anyone can listen to your conversations, and in principle, even join. But social networks, as pubs, and as any other human interaction, are governed by (mostly unwritten) social contracts, codes of conduct and etiquette. You are not supposed to join a conversation uninvited, and if you are invited, you are supposed to treat the others with respect.

      However, these groups systematically and purposely violate the social contracts, they hijack spaces and conversation where they were not invited and insult, harass and harm anyone who doesn’t think like them or simply if they find it funny. They are the drunkards that instigate bar fights. And as in real life, the owners don’t want disruptive elements in their pubs.

      At this point, the Internet is 40 years old, and mass-adoption happened more than 20 years ago. Most of us have been part of many communities before lemmy and/or kbin. And the disruptive elements are always the same. There are many groups of people with different opinions on religion, social issues, economical policies, etc, and yet only the far-right insists on the on-line persecution of their opponents. And their strategy works as long as the apologist support them.

      This isn’t a matter of echo chambers. You can hear many different voices on lemmy/kbin. The only requirement to have you voice heard is basic respect, and that is something that the far-right refuses to do.

      • hendrik ( hendrik@lemmy.ml ) English
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        3 years ago

        Just directly write them a message. I don’t think it needs a vote by the majority of the community to exclude some right wing crypto bros who like transphobia etc

        Also if you focus your energy here instead of notifying an admin, they might not read it and you kinda did the opposite of what you intended. Focus your energy here only if the admins and moderation don’t do their job properly.