Captain Beyond ( @beyond@linkage.ds8.zone ) 57•9 months agoChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
Always has been. One does not “use Linux” they use an operating system built on top of Linux.
Chrome is not Linux, but Xfce also is not Linux. Gnome is not Linux. KDE is not Linux. Linux is Linux.
erwan ( @erwan@lemmy.ml ) 3•9 months agoThere is a common understanding of what a Linux Desktop look like.
Whether you run Gnome, KDE or XFCE, you can install the same software and when you open a terminal you can do more or less the same thing.
ChromeOS however have a completely different user space. A bit like Android, yes it uses the Linux kernel but it’s not what people think about when they talk about a Linux Desktop.
recarsion ( @recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de ) 1•9 months ago[Insert GNU/Linux interjection copypasta]
Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English33•9 months agoNow more than ever, ChromeOS is Linux with
Google’s desktop environmentGoogle spyware and nothing else drwankingstein ( @drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English29•9 months agoliterally, all Chrome OS / chromium OS needs to do for me to actually embrace it. is native out of box flatpack support
one issue I might see them having with flatpack, is the permissions right now are handled kind of stupidly IMO. but if those get solved I think flatpack would be a great addition to chromium os ecosystem
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 4•9 months agoAnd not spy me across the OS, which it probably will.
drwankingstein ( @drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•9 months agothere are forks of chromium OS like thoriumOS, I could see an “Ungoogled chromiumOS” being a viable path to go down
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 3•9 months agoIMO you’re just better off using Debian with their DE directly, then. ChromeOS doesn’t provide anything extra, just a different DE.
drwankingstein ( @drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•9 months agochromeOS provides a LOT. its very easy to use and quite reliable, and its super easy computer illiterate people to get into.
I have tried most distros, pretty much every single one that claims to be user friendly. not a single one holds a candle to chrome/chromiumOS.
for a lot of people chromeOS is genuinely a good experience that Linux simply cannot replicate. the polish is very much beyond what other distros provide.
Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 2•9 months agoWhen I tried it, it seemed like mostly just Debian with another DE, but maybe I/you haven’t tried it recently enough…
Also,
for a lot of people chromeOS is genuinely a good experience that Linux simply cannot replicate.
It’s literally Linux.
drwankingstein ( @drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•9 months agotraditional linux distros, sorry thought the implication was obvious.
but the user experience really is different, its been great since my family and old customer base love it and need a lot less help with it
Hafiz Muhammad ( @HafizMuhammad@mastodon.social ) 22•9 months agoChromeOS is just spyware that’s eye candy.
somas ( @somas@kbin.social ) 17•9 months agoDoes this mean I can reasonably expect to buy a Chromebook and install vanilla Linux without huge headaches?
There’s always been Linux distros that targeted Mac hardware. There’s got to be something like that for chromebooks, right?
ObiGynKenobi ( @ObiGynKenobi@beehaw.org ) 6•9 months agoNo, this isn’t something you can expect.
There used to be a distro called Gallium OS, but it’s been dead for a couple years now.
erwan ( @erwan@lemmy.ml ) 6•9 months agoYou can install vanilla Linux, but huge headaches are involved.
I did it, and it worked, but I had to open is and remove a foil (equivalent to a jumper), go to developer mode, then flash a new bootloader by running a script from GitHub.
Think flashing a ROM on a pretty locked down Android device.
The upside is that when the process is done, you have a regular PC and no need to do any cumbersome process again.
DrRatso ( @DrRatso@lemmy.ml ) 4•9 months agoWhy would you not be able to? Isn’t a chromebook just a laptop with garbage specs?
ObiGynKenobi ( @ObiGynKenobi@beehaw.org ) 5•9 months agoThere are actually Chromebooks with very solid specs, but no, it isn’t that simple. They have custom firmware and components that often don’t play well with Linux, or Windows for that matter.
DrRatso ( @DrRatso@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 months agoOkay, thanks for clearing this up. Chromebooks have turned me off since their inception, I just assumed since they are made by regular laptop companies that they are plain old low-spec machines running a lightweight OS with minimal functionality.
astroturds ( @astroturds@startrek.website ) English3•9 months agoNot always, I have one with an amd chipset that I can’t get Linux on (last time I checked).
You have to open them up and remove a screw then install different firmware.
The dell Chromebook 11 I got from eBay for under £20 was easy to get it working on though.
soulfirethewolf ( @soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id ) English16•9 months agoI would definitely get a Chromebook, but only once you can change the default browser from Chrome without needing to do any weird workarounds like Android apps
halfempty ( @halfempty@kbin.social ) 14•9 months agoChromeOS is a totally locked down distro of Linux. I prefer Debian Linux with an XFCE desktop thank you.
const_void ( @const_void@lemmy.ml ) 12•9 months agoHilarious title. Can you install Firefox?
Goodtoknow ( @Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca ) 15•9 months ago anothermember ( @anothermember@beehaw.org ) 10•9 months agoCan you uninstall Chrome?
d3Xt3r ( @d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz ) 18•9 months agoBut that would turn them into books.
RickyRigatoni ( @RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml ) 5•9 months agoMission accomplished.
suoko ( @Suoko@feddit.it ) 2•9 months agoCheck chromebrew too https://github.com/chromebrew/chromebrew/tree/master/packages
ThatHermanoGuy ( @ThatHermanoGuy@midwest.social ) 9•9 months agoIt always was.
BarrierWithAshes ( @BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social ) 9•9 months agoQuite possibly one of the most misleading statements ive ever read.
YaBoyMax ( @YaBoyMax@programming.dev ) English9•9 months agoMaybe I’m mistaken on this, but I’m fairly certain the screenshot they describe as “Unity” is just a heavily themed GNOME. Also, I’ve never seen Xfce stylized as “XFCe.” I realize that’s not the point of the article, but just something that stood out to me.
LinuxSBC ( @LinuxSBC@lemm.ee ) 2•9 months agoThat is actually Unity. It’s a mildly modified version used in Ubuntu Unity. Also, Xfce was also misspelled as XCFe.
anothermember ( @anothermember@beehaw.org ) 8•9 months agoChromeOS is Linux is technically correct I would say in the least helpful way possible. Linux but it misses the point.
The site is aboutchromebooks.com, hmm…
QuazarOmega ( @QuazarOmega@lemy.lol ) 7•9 months agoThis article is a bit strange
Even though you can install Linux desktop applications for that container, you can’t use it to modify the Linux code (huh?) that runs ChromeOS
Unless he’s on Gentoo (he’s not, he is on PopOS) to modify and recompile his kernel every time, I don’t see what he’s trying to say here.
The title feels accurate, but misleading, like yeah it is Linux, with another desktop environment, but when they say this
While most Linux distributions come with a default desktop environment, users can install and choose from many others. You can’t do that on ChromeOS, which is why I say ChromeOS uses Google’s desktop environment. Choice would be nice here but I really do like the new Material You interface.
I’m like, no shit ChromeOS uses Google’s desktop environment? And what changed from the past versions that it is so “now more than ever”? On the contrary, from what I’m reading, there was even an effort in the Chromium OS development to decouple the browser from the window manager to make them standalone components (it seems to have succeeded in fact: mus+ash), now I’m not sure if it’s actually possible to Frankenstein a “real” desktop environment to replace or exist alongside Aura shell, but the point still doesn’t make much sense.
When I use ChromeOS, I am limited. By Google
Meh, you’re limited by the product’s features, if GNOME allowed as little customization (wink wink) you’d say the same, now that’s not to say that Google doesn’t force its vision on the user and that Chromium isn’t an open source project that is more or less closed in on itself, but it could always adopt some features inspired from other projects, some will never be there of course, namely extensions or “applets”.
Adderbox76 ( @Adderbox76@lemmy.ca ) English4•9 months agoAnd yet an onscreen keyboard for linux apps is still “on the roadmap”…
Southern Wolf ( @southernwolf@pawb.social ) 3•9 months agoI mean, that’s the case for KDE too, so can’t really throw stones there.
Infiltrated_ad8271 ( @Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social ) 2•9 months agoWith wayland this also happens in the rest of linux.
not_gsa ( @not_gsa@lemm.ee ) 0•9 months agoDoes anyone actually buy Chromebooks apart from schools?
float ( @float@feddit.de ) 0•9 months agoMy girlfriend bought a really cheap one from Lenovo. Besides watching movies and browsing the web there’s not much you can do because ChromeOS is extremely limiting. Wouldn’t ever recommend anyone to buy anything with ChromeOS on it.
DerEineDa ( @DerEineDa@feddit.de ) 0•9 months agoSounds like the perfect device for my parents and many many other people I know.
squiblet ( @squiblet@kbin.social ) 2•9 months agoYep, my parents have a few. Way easier than dealing with them installing windows malware constantly or having to maintain Linux for them.