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kebabslob ( @kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 52•9 months agoStudent loans: I sleep
Title 42 + building new border walls: Real shit?
OurToothbrush ( @OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml ) 36•9 months agoWhat? From union buster segregationist eulogizing Joe?
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 5•9 months ago
Jim Crow Joe
magnetosphere ( @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org ) English27•9 months agoAccording to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded in this region during the current fiscal year.
This is an extremely complex issue, but let’s just consider that number for a minute.
That’s about 671 people every day. About 28 each hour. Damn.
OurToothbrush ( @OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml ) 45•9 months agoOh god oh fuck people moving across an imaginary line
magnetosphere ( @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org ) English33•9 months agoThose bastards can’t speak American, and they’re taking all those jobs away that I’d never even consider doing!
trailing9 ( @trailing9@lemmy.ml ) 7•9 months agoReserve army of labor. Don’t try to solve the problem by ridiculing it. Offer a better solution.
magnetosphere ( @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org ) English3•9 months agoPeople are allowed to make jokes, especially about things they can’t control directly. Read the room.
trailing9 ( @trailing9@lemmy.ml ) 4•9 months agoYou missed mine.
magnetosphere ( @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org ) English3•9 months agoWhoops! Sorry.
Text can be tricky sometimes. Without tone of voice or body language, sometimes I don’t catch stuff.
Jamie ( @Jamie@jamie.moe ) 24•9 months agoAnd adding 0.081% to the population every year are stealing all the good jobs uh… checks notes, working in construction and on ranches where actual citizens usually don’t want to work anyway.
psivchaz ( @psivchaz@reddthat.com ) 9•9 months agoJobs is just a thing people talked about but was never the actual issue. The issue has always been fear of change. Depending on the list you look at right now, Peso Pluma is between the #1 and #12 artist right now in music. There are areas of the country where knowing Spanish has become a near necessity to own a business.
Depending on how racist they are, it might be some #WhiteGenocide nonsense, or it might be that they have some honestly kind of legitimate concerns about changing culture, or they just don’t like seeing all the brown people around. It seems to vary a lot from person to person.
I’m not saying they’re right and I’m certainly not endorsing that way of thinking. I just think it’s important to understand the real reasons they’re all freaking out. It was never really jobs and always plain xenophobia.
SwampYankee ( @SwampYankee@mander.xyz ) 3•9 months agoThat’s not an excuse to allow the wanton exploitation of migrant labor that does, whether you want to admit it or not, undercut US labor on the margins. Not to mention the tolerance of labor violations against undocumented workers undoubtedly trickles up to legal labor and harms a lot more workers than just the migrants.
Illegal border crossings are a serious problem and the proper solution is not to hand wave away conservative concerns about it. All that does is maintain the status quo wherein migrant laborers are kept in legal limbo, facilitating their continued exploitation. That’s bourgeois shit and if I wanted to get a little conspiratorial about it, I’d suggest that maybe that’s the whole point of the “Americans don’t want to do those jobs” rhetoric.
The proper solution is to legalize the migrants, get them documented, and protect them with US minimum wage and labor laws.
Swim ( @Swim@lemmy.ca ) 11•9 months agoyou are missing a key word, recorded. got to assume some arent counted which makes that number even higher, holy feck.
explodicle ( @explodicle@local106.com ) English16•9 months agoOr there’s one dude with a merry-go-round, making the number seem higher.
SnipingNinja ( @SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net ) 1•9 months agoOld Spiders Georg
magnetosphere ( @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org ) English6•9 months agoI’m just gonna leave it as a quote from the article. If the wording is messed up, it’s their problem. Good point, though!
Draedron ( @Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•9 months agoSo?
Swim ( @Swim@lemmy.ca ) 1•9 months agofound the illegal immigrant
Psythik ( @Psythik@lemm.ee ) 15•9 months agoHow about we have some proper immigration reform instead? Then we won’t have to waste money on stupid walls cause people will be less compelled to cross illegally.
SpookyUnderwear ( @SpookyUnderwear@eviltoast.org ) English2•9 months ago“Make your laws more convenient for me or I’m going to break them”.
A lot of people enter the country and become legal citizens every day.
Silverseren ( @Silverseren@kbin.social ) 14•9 months ago20 miles isn’t enough to cover any form of meaningful distance. I wonder what’s going on in that county for this to be pushed for, especially since the DHS didn’t release any actual details about it.
I suppose a fence would technically count as a wall.
ALostInquirer ( @ALostInquirer@lemm.ee ) 13•9 months agoWon’t a wall, supposing it’s somewhat effective at mitigating unlawful entry over the surface, simply encourage even more risky behavior such as (more?) tunneling and/or attempts at entering via the Gulf?
Also, for cat lovers out there, you might want to note this detail that just adds to the suffering this will perpetuate:
Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.
Finally, wouldn’t the more modern, humane, and fiscally responsible solution to this whole issue be migration reform such that people can more easily, legally enter the country? More people become citizens, more tax revenue, governments’ budgets may still be tight but more manageable (supposing they continue to insist on avoiding taxing businesses more).
Don’t get me wrong, though, I realize a big part of why it’s not being addressed that way is related to fearmongering, with another big part being exploited migrant labor.
Melkath ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 11•9 months agoThey. Are. All. The. Same. Party.
protist ( @protist@mander.xyz ) English31•9 months agoThis is absolutely not true. This Democratic president allowed this one 20 mile section of border wall to be built, and also supports DACA, common sense immigration reform to increase legal immigration, increased work visas, and more. The leading Republican candidate is trying to build thousands of miles of wall, thinks people should be shot trying to cross the border, and says some people who are US citizens with Latin American heritage should be deported and their citizenship revoked. Where in the living fuck are you getting your information
PowerCrazy ( @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) 7•9 months agoStay with me here, what if the democratic party just didn’t do those bad things at all? Or even better, what if we voted for a candidate that wouldn’t do those bad things to begin with?
protist ( @protist@mander.xyz ) English6•9 months agoThere are plenty people in the Democratic party who would do things differently, but Republicans universally demonize immigrants and if in power would make life much harder for them.
We live in a democracy where there will always be disagreement between people on policymaking. If you didn’t disagree with a Democratic politician on anything at all, you’re probably in a cult of personality, a la Trump supporters. That in no way means you should stop advocating for the positions you support and voting for candidates that most align with your values.
What we’re talking about here is the difference between Democrats and Republicans after that cynical dude at the top said they were the same when they very much are not. If you don’t support a Democratic candidate in a 2 way race because you don’t support 15% of their positions, you are voting for the Republican, 95% of whose positions you don’t support
PowerCrazy ( @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 months agoI’m not actually voting for either.
magnetosphere ( @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org ) English1•9 months agoReread the last sentence of the comment you’re replying to.
No candidate will ever be ideal, and apathy just makes things easier for the worst ones. Get off your ass and vote.
PowerCrazy ( @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 months agoI definitely vote in every election. But never for the democrats or republicans.
magnetosphere ( @HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org ) English2•9 months agoI misunderstood. If you’re participating in the process and doing what you believe in, that’s cool.
Melkath ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 3•9 months agoHow about we do a proper census?
No.
The party builds walls.
leggysnakegirl ( @leggysnakegirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 3•9 months agoAbortion is illegal in half the fucking country. It’s not the Democrat half. Shut the fuck up.
Melkath ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 6•9 months agoAbortion is illegal in half the country because DEMOCRATS refused to codify Roe v Wade into law, leaving it vulnerable to being rolled back by the Supreme Court.
They. Are. All. The. Same. Party.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Starr County Judge Eloy Vera said it will start south of the Falcon Dam and go past Salineño, Texas.
There’s a lot of arroyos,” Eloy Vera, the county judge said, pointing out the creeks cutting through the ranchland and leading into the river.
Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.
And it’s a horrific step backwards for the borderlands,” Laiken Jordahl, a southwest conservation advocate for the Center for Biological Diversity, said Wednesday afternoon.
The DHS decision on Wednesday contrasts the Biden administration’s posturing when a proclamation to end the construction on Jan. 20, 2021 stated, “building a massive wall that spans the entire southern border is not a serious policy solution.”
“After years of denying that a border wall and other physical barriers are effective, the DHS announcement represents a sea change in the administration’s thinking: A secure wall is an effective tool for maintaining control of our borders,” Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, said in a statement.
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