- reinar ( @reinar@distress.digital ) English172•1 year ago
why not? it’s not like there is any competition.
Microsoft is making more money off Linux with Azure than several red hats combined.- stepanzak ( @stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 125•1 year ago
Yes, but people find this interesting because historically, Microsoft was actively trying to destroy Linux (look up Halloween documents) and even said that Linux is cancer.
- sparkl_motion ( @sparkl_motion@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year ago
WSL has been integrated into Windows for a while now. The days you’re referring to are in the past.
- Imnebuddy ( @Imnebuddy@lemmy.ml ) English92•1 year ago
Windows: What is my purpose?
User: You are a bootloader to install Linux.
- HurlingDurling ( @HurlingDurling@lemm.ee ) English7•1 year ago
Grub
- Elise ( @xilliah@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
Oh my Bill
- AVincentInSpace ( @AVincentInSpace@pawb.social ) 2•1 year ago
Thought that was what PXE boot was for
- spudwart ( @spudwart@spudwart.com ) English73•1 year ago
While I see an extensive amount of “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” and do agree that this is the typical logic of Microsoft.
It’s obvious this is to try and avoid getting hit with similar monopoly accusations that their competitors are receiving.
“Look, Look!! We support other Operating Systems! We have a guide! We’re not a monopoly! See, See!!”
- The Quuuuuill ( @Quill7513@slrpnk.net ) English25•1 year ago
This has way more to do with Azure is their main product and they know what people want to run on the cloud runs on Linux workloads. They’ve seen their Kuberbetes numbers, they know where the money is
- gh0stcassette ( @gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 12•1 year ago
There’s definitely an element of that, but imo their recent embrace of WSL and linux tooling for development is just to try and expand their market share in the software development space. Very few devs develop on windows unless they’re game devs, C# devs or working on something else that requires windows/Microsoft tooling, everyone else is on Linux and macOS because windows is bad for developing software.
It’s basically an admission that their tooling is bad, but it’s fine because you can just run linux development tools on windows now, so please don’t switch to Linux fully
- Muddybulldog ( @muddybulldog@mylemmy.win ) English4•1 year ago
Your assertions are not supported by industry analysis.
While this years survey is closed, the results haven’t been published. In last year’s survey, MacOS slightly edged out Linux, moving to second place.
- morrowind ( @morrowind@lemmy.ml ) 5•1 year ago
I don’t think this is the reason. Windows is in no danger of being a monopoly
- Cyclohexane ( @cyclohexane@lemmy.ml ) 49•1 year ago
I love when people on the Internet say “X did Y quietly” to make it more suspenseful. This doesn’t look quiet to me…
- the_stormcrow ( @the_stormcrow@lemmy.ml ) 13•1 year ago
What does “quietly” even mean? Didn’t take out ads in Times Square?
- ddkman ( @ddkman@lemm.ee ) 6•1 year ago
Also how is this bad?
- Cornelius ( @Cornelius@lemmy.ml ) 3•1 year ago
Not bad, just ironic
- 0x0 ( @0x0@programming.dev ) English47•1 year ago
So the Embrace-Extend-Extinguish continues…
- Damage ( @Damage@feddit.it ) 38•1 year ago
They’re having issues with step 3 on Linux
- sibe ( @sibe@lemm.ee ) 6•1 year ago
How many years will you people keep parroting this? Show me the extinguish part already…
- blandy ( @blandy@lemmy.ml ) 6•1 year ago
Where I’m from, Triple E is something spread by mosquitoes… something about it just attracts blood suckers I guess
- LeFantome ( @LeFantome@programming.dev ) 3•1 year ago
More like:
1 - embrace it in the cloud 2 - profit madly 3 - extend 4 - profit more
It makes me chuckle that people think Microsoft actually wants to extinguish Linux. I mean, the Windows division sees it as a competitor to be vanquished I guess. Over at Azure though, it is the golden goose.
- nik0 ( @Venomnik0@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Wouldn’t it happen by now considering how much MSFT/corporate influence Linux already has?
- LeFantome ( @LeFantome@programming.dev ) 42•1 year ago
Microsoft must make 40% of their revenue off of Azure at this point. I would not be surprised if more than 50% of that is on Linux. Windows is probably down to 10% ( around the same as gaming ).
https://www.kamilfranek.com/microsoft-revenue-breakdown/
Sure there are people in the Windows division who want to kill Linux and some dev dev folks will still prefer Windows. At this point though, a huge chunk of Microsoft could not care less about Windows and may actually prefer Linux. Linux is certainly a better place for K8S and OCI stuff. All the GPT and Cognitive Services stuff is likely more Linux than not.
Do people not know that Microsoft has their own Linux distro? I mean an installation guide is not exactly their biggest move in Linux?
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 8•1 year ago
Great source, but it also shows they make 23% off office. Together with Windows, that’s over 30% of their revenue.
Office doesn’t work on Linux, so it really doesn’t make financial sense to push Linux
- cloud ( @cloud@lazysoci.al ) 38•1 year ago
Embrace, extend, and extinguish
- 1rre ( @1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ) 24•1 year ago
It makes sense for Microsoft to support Linux though…
They tried their hardest to kill Linux under Steve Ballmer but now they’re moving (or in reality have moved) to a model where Xbox and cloud are their main income-generating industries. The former is unrelated to Windows/Linux and the latter is frankly more dependant on Linux than it is on Windows - Microsoft have been supportive of Linux through Azure for years now and it doesn’t exactly make sense for them to be developing two different operating systems, so it’s not far fetched to imagine they’ll drop
DOSNT as a backend for windows entirely in the future and move to a Linux backend, with Windows just being a closed source DM with tracking etc added on.This covers embrace & extend, but I don’t think the extinguish part makes sense - sure they may add features the FOSS community disagree with, but at worst we’re in a similar position to where we are now with things being released separately for Linux and Windows
- bufalo1973 ( @bufalo1973@lemmy.ml ) English4•1 year ago
I think you mean NT, not DOS. DOS stopped being the backbone of Windows in 2000/XP.
- schnurrito ( @schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ) 3•1 year ago
That is the opposite of what I want to happen. I want them to release Windows (NT) under a free license, not to start basing Windows on Linux.
- barsoap ( @barsoap@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
NT isn’t even a bad kernel, it’s everything around it that’s the problem.
- tty84 ( @tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 36•1 year ago
Great! Then now you’re ready to install Microsoft Edge on your fresh new linux installation: https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge/pool/main/m/microsoft-edge-stable/ 🤡
- Darken ( @Darken@reddthat.com ) 16•1 year ago
It comes with bing search pre configured for you so you don’t have to look for the settings, we also hid them so you don’t accidentally switch to duckduckgo because we believe Linux users shall experience the full potential of our services even out abroad on another OS
- Cornelius ( @Cornelius@lemmy.ml ) 6•1 year ago
For all two people who genuinely use edge on Linux, it’s still a more private experience than Windows. Regardless, more power to them
- Illecors ( @Illecors@lemmy.cafe ) English26•1 year ago
Has hell frozen over already?!
- slampisko ( @slampisko@czech-lemmy.eu ) 11•1 year ago
Pretty sure the exact opposite has been happening (vaguely gestures at everything)
- MonkderZweite ( @MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ) 26•1 year ago
If only they stop overwriting boot loader.
- BCsven ( @BCsven@lemmy.ca ) 10•1 year ago
Install linux second and create a second boot partition. most distros will probe foreign os and add a grub chainloader entry from grub to windows boot partition. windows never lnows about the other boot partition
- blind3rdeye ( @blind3rdeye@lemm.ee ) 25•1 year ago
The thing is, I don’t think a guide is really needed to install Linux. Most of it is pretty straight-forward. (The only tricky bit that comes to mind is making the USB that you’ve put your distro on bootable. That probably isn’t obvious; and it might not be obvious how to get your computer to boot from a USB anyway if you’ve never done it before.)
Anyway, the way I see it, Microsoft’s guide is more about how you can use Linux while still having Windows. If someone is searching for “how do I install Linux?” Microsoft would obviously prefer the answer to involve something that preserves Windows. First preference: WSL, second preference: Virtual Machine, third preference: dual-boot. And after that, you’re on your own.
- ALostInquirer ( @ALostInquirer@lemm.ee ) 4•1 year ago
The thing is, I don’t think a guide is really needed to install Linux. Most of it is pretty straight-forward. (The only tricky bit that comes to mind is making the USB that you’ve put your distro on bootable. That probably isn’t obvious; and it might not be obvious how to get your computer to boot from a USB anyway if you’ve never done it before.)
It’s been awhile since I installed a Linux distro…Have some of them improved guidance related to allocating disk space on install? I remember that was one of the parts that I wasn’t entirely confident I’d handled properly the last few times I did so. Something something swap, something /, and the like.
- blind3rdeye ( @blind3rdeye@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
I did a Mint install a few weeks ago, and I’d say that if you want to preserve some existing OS (i.e. dual boot), then it isn’t super easy. You have to tell it what new partitions you want - and therefore you have to know something about what partitions you should have. The good news is that you don’t actually need any swap or home partition. You can just put it all on one partition - but I don’t think it’s obvious what to do.
On the other hand, if you aren’t trying to preserve something you already have, you can tell the installer to just go with all the defaults, and then you don’t have to know anything about it.
Note: Microsoft’s guide doesn’t mention any of that detail. It basically just says to follow the instructions of the installer.
- Bene7rddso ( @Bene7rddso@feddit.de ) 1•1 year ago
Ou can dual-boot with the default options, but iirc if you want to choose how much of your Windows partition you want to use you have to do it manually. Haven’t done it in ages though so I could be wrong
- pascal ( @pascal@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
And after trying Linux inside windows and then inside a VM and realising it runs like shit, they’ll be convinced windows is better, but they’ve been deceived.
- JackbyDev ( @JackbyDev@programming.dev ) English2•1 year ago
You’re so right! I feel like I always need to try two programs and I am never doing it often enough to actually remember which works.
- Strit ( @Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show ) English24•1 year ago
Another thing they have “slipped” in recently is Linux (only Ubuntu for now) support in Microsoft Intune.
This change will make it possible to run Linux in a Microsoft cloud/azure workplace.
Link to post: https://mastodon.social/@Linux_Is_Best/111202901396633888 Link to Microsoft guide : https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install
- LimeWire ( @limewire@lemmy.mywire.xyz ) 11•1 year ago
Thanks, that’s one of my pet peeves, posting a screenshot of a post without a link to the source.
- recursive_recursion [they/them] ( @recursive_recursion@programming.dev ) English8•1 year ago
if you can’t beat them join’m!
lolFOSS ftw✌️
- aesopjah ( @aesopjah@lemm.ee ) 20•1 year ago
I mean, why not do that, from their perspective. Linux has been around for a long time and Windows still maintains market share. They don’t feel threatened at this point, so might as well have the explanation of how to install Linux be a subtle ad for Windows.
- katy ✨ ( @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 19•1 year ago
Why wouldn’t they? Windows 10+ is a great development machine and Microsoft knows that a lot of developers develop with Linux. WSL is great for all parties - including Linux
- sudo ( @sudo@lemmy.today ) 14•1 year ago
I, too, have had the audacity to say WSL is useful on this community and it was also met with down votes. Purists hating and gate keeping, and then they wonder why Linux isn’t more popular.
- halva ( @halva@discuss.tchncs.de ) 3•1 year ago
I’m by no means a purest but I’ve found WSL… More annoying than using Linux as is. Network oddities, random programs not functioning and just generally subpar as is.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English1•1 year ago
Yea anyone who says wsl is good is a windows user and shouldn’t try to administer Linux systems.
If you are going to use Linux on windows just use virtualbox
- ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
Windows 10+ is a great development machine
If doing Windows development, I agree. WSL is a nice “I would like to have a Linux-like environment without losing Windows or running a full-blown VM” measure. This idea has existed for a long time with things like Cygwin, but at the end of the day, a natively-ran Linux distro will be considerably better for many development stacks than WSL.