Is the media really trying to blame the wrong perpetrator just like they did for 9/11? I guess people learned nothing from the US’s botched response to 9/11.
It’s pretty simple really. Not including the recent attack, Israel has killed 10k+ Palestinians since 2000 vs the ~500 Israelis killed in conflict. It is pretty simple to see why a group of Palestinians would do something like this. They are angry at Israelis oppressing them.
With that being said, their desire for revenge is understandable. There is still no reason to murder innocent Israelis.
I still don’t get how Mossad didnt know about this? Aren’t they one of the best agencies around? I mean they invented Pegasus! How did they not know this attack was impending? Something had to have happened.
Or, counterpoint, they knew.
Either it was a case of the information not getting to the right people, or the right people wanted the attack to happen. After all, a very public and horrific attack justifies a lot of sadistic level disproportionate response, and said sadistic level disproportionate response gets the base riled up to vote for you again.
Or, counter-counterpoint, everyone and their dog knows that Israel is spying on everyone and their dog, so all communications by people planning this shit are kept to in person or paper. Anything that has to be transmitted electronically likely is said in code phrases that are agreed on in person.
The truth is likely a combination of all of it.
I dont know. Given that Israel is announcing constantly over the past days how they were hitting hundreds of Hamas targets, they claim to have a very detailled knowledge of where Hamas is. That also means that they must have had noticed increased activity, because all the material for the attack needs to get somewhere and at the latest they most have had noticed the buildup of fighters and demolition equipment on the morning of the attack.
So either they knew very well that the attack was prepared at the latest when it was imminent, or they are now lying about the targets and just lobbing bombs at random places now. But also i remember the videos of the soldiers being caught off guard when Hamas was storming their bases, which means a collossal fuckup in the warning chain or deliberate non information.
Egypt says they told Israel
Of course they knew. They want a reason to go to war
I wouldn’t go so far as to say “of course” about it, Hanlon’s razor still applies. But it’s a scenario worth investigating.
Occam’s razor cuts sharper, here. I don’t think you can apply Hanlon’s razor to entities that we know are full of malice, as Israel is to the Palestinians.
I dont find it adequaetly explicable without malice. Israel has Gaza almost surrounded and exerts strong influence on Egypt and the border there too. The main task of the Mossad and IDF is to surveil and fend off Hamas and Hesbollah. And for Hamas the area to surveil is very small and they cant go anywhere else. Also Israel now claims hundreds of attacks on Hamas targets every day, which means they claim to know exactly where Hamas is. How can they not have noticed the buildup of material and forces necessary for such an operation?
You think the five eyes and Israel could have possibly missed the buildup to the largest Islamic terrorist incident ever? In Palestine? The most surveilled place on earth? There is absolutely no fucking way they didn’t know.
Also Egypt said they straight up told Israel so…
There seems to be a theme here. Israel appears to have a plan, that will forever change the middle east. ( as Israeli officials described it ).
Describing the attacks by Hamas as the Israeli 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, is actually not far off, as both of those incidents has later appeared to be events that was known by intelligence agencies and authorities, but was allowed to happen to serve a purpose.
This could mean that Israel will make a final push to further force out Palestinians from Gaza and maybe even the West Bank, as well as attack Iran in one way or another.
Keyword is yet. Given enough time, Israel will find “evidence” of their involvement.
Well, everyone else says that Iran was involved. Though politically this helps Russia and China the most and they are also friendly towards that group.
WSJ says Iran is involved. I don’t think anyone else is actually saying it unless they’re just reporting what the WSJ said.
That could be it.
Come to think of it, it doesn’t really make sense for Iran to want this sort of escalation to happen. The ideal situation from its standpoint is for Palestine to be a continuous thorn in Israel’s side, but not too much. That’s cheap to do and disruptive to Israel. If Israel connects the killing of hundreds of civilians to Iran, that could be justification for all out war. That would be damaging for both sides, but ultimately I think Iran would come out the worse.
For a vaguely comparable situation, look to Ukraine. NATO is willing to arm and train Ukraine, but committing NATO soldiers involves incredibly high amounts of risk. That’s why NATO has held back, even though its conventional armed forces would have no trouble taking on Russia.
One argument I’ve heard that sounds plausible is that Israel and Saudi Arabia were steadily improving their relations, which is really bad for Iran (which is a rival to both of them). Setting off this timebomb now could throw a giant dose of general chaos into the situation, which Iran might be betting will result in disruption of that relationship.
I’m fine with waiting for more evidence either way, of course. Snap judgments are a bad idea here.
“If you’ve got no good moves, scramble the board” is old advice.
Or knock it over, if you’re a pigeon. Iran definitely loves being the pigeon.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“Iran is a major player but we can’t yet say if it was involved in the planning or training,” said R Adm Daniel Hagari, a spokesperson for the Israel Defence Forces.
In a report published on 4 October, the Tasnim news agency said the representative spoke to participants about the need for “all Islamist parties to do everything in their power to liberate al-Quds [Jerusalem]”.
Hamas used Iranian technology and logistical support to produce arms locally, he said, but it is thought to be mainly reliant on smuggling weapons from its tunnels under its border with Egypt.
Some Hamas social media accounts claim the Iranian army is eager to send drones into action, but most observers think any escalation into a multipronged war is more likely to come from Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Across the Gulf, Arab leaders, united in seeking to de-escalate the violence ideally through a prisoner swap, were at odds over how to attribute responsibility for the attacks.
So far Saudi Arabia, the country on which the politics of the region will turn, has responded to the attacks by being strongly critical of Israel’s failure to negotiate a peace settlement with the Palestinians based on a two-state solution.
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WSJ is a tabloid now I guess lol