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- sky ( @sky@codesink.io ) English112•1 year ago
Apple: only implements a proprietary graphics API
Also Apple: Why does no one make games for my platform??
- henfredemars ( @henfredemars@infosec.pub ) English3•1 year ago
Is this true? Could I not do OpenGL on a Mac?
- sky ( @sky@codesink.io ) English13•1 year ago
They ship an outdated and unreliable implementation 😅 There are things that use it, but my understanding is you couldn’t use it in the same way you can on other platforms.
- TonyTonyChopper ( @TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz ) 3•1 year ago
CS 2 isn’t on open gl
- i_cant_sports ( @i_cant_sports@lemmy.ml ) 18•1 year ago
Was CS:GO available natively on Mac? If so, this is unfortunate news for the small subset of Mac users who played, since CS:GO is now no more.
- kate ( @kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ) English1•1 year ago
I heard they’re offering refunds to any users who had the majority of playtime on MacOS although I’m not sure that means much for an esports title
- Emhyr var Emreis ( @EmhyrVarEmreis@lemm.ee ) 12•1 year ago
Too bad Apple guys won’t be able to play a casino with extra steps
- ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English12•1 year ago
And there’s nothing wrong with this. While I’d love to see companies develop games that run on all of the main three OSes, there is cost involved. And Valve determined that cost to be too high to worry with. This doesn’t mean Macs suck, it just means Macs are not a viable gaming platform for some companies and some games.
Imagine if we saw reason instead of simply adding ourselves to the “Macs suck” bandwagon. What a world that would be – with logic and reason and understanding. Nah, just pissing on things is better.
- KickAssDuke ( @KickAssDuke@lemm.ee ) 12•1 year ago
Damn Whoopie Goldberg gonna be so mad
- Gianni R ( @gianni@lemmy.ml ) English11•1 year ago
I think everyone would rather development effort for games go into Linux as opposed to macOS.
- ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( @yournamehere@lemm.ee ) 9•1 year ago
Will there be any new Macs really? Isnt everything just some iPhone/ipad with iOS soonish? I doubt macs have any relevance in the future - just like last time when there was no Steve Jobs around. I mean there arent really any apps even for their watch… So why bother? Maybe they can just usw some cloudgaming …Apple ppl love paying and subscriptions.
- ulkesh ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English4•1 year ago
Millions of developers of numerous technologies use Macs. To say macs won’t have relevance in the future is clearly uninformed. As a gaming platform, sure, Macs leave plenty to be desired, but as development computers, they work extremely well, if overpriced.
- Moonguide ( @Moonguide@lemmy.ml ) 2•1 year ago
They’re also the standard in some industries, inc. design and video production. At least where I’m at. Hate the OS with a passion but not having a mixed OS workplace sucks.
- ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( @yournamehere@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
That is the past. I know Photoshop ppl are getting laid off everywhere and replaced by nuke,ai and so on.Does Apple even do new desktop Workstations? Is that coke can still a thing?
- Big P ( @peter@feddit.uk ) English2•1 year ago
People have been saying that for years
- body_by_make ( @Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 0•1 year ago
lol MacBooks are insanely good with the release of the M chips, this opinion you’re sporting is pretty dated.
- ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( @yournamehere@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Maybe. But who needs it? I say nobody. The poor Photoshop and illu guys are already getting replaced. There is no need for osx so there is no need for desktop Macs and macbooks will run IOS and be nothing but a superpowerd ipad. Innovation with Apple is zero - they the money to do a new chip but nobody devs anymore for the iwatch since the idea how Apple wants to make business is pretty dated.
Meta app on iwatch …lol. 90s are calling and they want Apple back in the grave i hear. Or maybe Bill Gates can help them AGAIN?
- teraflopsweat ( @teraflopsweat@lemm.ee ) 8•1 year ago
As a Mac user, I’m fine with this tbh. I don’t game on my Mac and most people I know with one don’t either.
- ylai ( @ylai@lemmy.ml ) 1•1 year ago
As a user of an ecosystem that I care about, I totally do not. Why should the health of an ecosystem be dictated by my usage patterns or that of people that I know? Bit self-centered, also?
Also, today’s Apple fans and their “Apple-no-gaming” fiction are too quick to “forget” Bungie and how upset Steve Jobs was when Halo became Microsoft-exclusive. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/10/jobs-turned-down-bungie-at-first-how-microsoft-burned-apple/
- regulatorg ( @regulatorg@kbin.social ) 8•1 year ago
It will probably work soon with that Windows compatibility thing apple is working on
- Kata1yst ( @Kata1yst@kbin.social ) 34•1 year ago
You mean repackaged Wine that they’re pretending to have invented? Yeah should do.
- Derin ( @derin@lemmy.beru.co ) 7•1 year ago
Really just repackaged Proton, with some ridiculous install requirements including fucking Homebrew.
It’s not even Alpha level software right now. But, just to argue their side: it is meant as a preview for game developers to package their games with right now, and not the general public.
Still… Fucking Homebrew.
- smoothbrain coldtakes ( @canis_majoris@lemmy.ca ) 4•1 year ago
Okay but it’s like, what other package managers exist on MacOS?
Obviously they’re going to include Homebrew to fulfill dependencies in a more curated way than just bringing them down with the installer itself.
- Derin ( @derin@lemmy.beru.co ) 3•1 year ago
I guess I don’t really like the idea of a large company using a tool like Homebrew, I feel at that point they should write/include their own package manager.
I might be sounding pedantic, so feel free to ignore me if you’re a Homebrew fan, but it just irks me that the package manager is installed via curl’ing a shell script from their github project, and that the entire repo itself is stored on Github.
Even Microsoft has winget; dunno why a company the size of Apple can’t just roll a proper, secure way to distribute packages.
Also, as far as other package managers go, there’s Macports.
- smoothbrain coldtakes ( @canis_majoris@lemmy.ca ) 4•1 year ago
They have a proper, secure way to distribute packages - the app store. It just happens to be a GUI solution and not a CLI one.
- Derin ( @derin@lemmy.beru.co ) 1•1 year ago
Sure, exactly. So why do I need to install a third party CLI package manager for a first party suite of tools?
Like, xcode-select is able to grab dependencies. There’s no reason why a similar binary can’t be delivered with the porting sdk.
There’s MacPorts but Homebrew is by far the most common package manager on MacOS. I wouldn’t use Homebrew on Linux personally but it’s great on Mac
- Ananace ( @ace@lemmy.ananace.dev ) 6•1 year ago
The one that explicitly states in its license that you’re not allowed to ship anything using it?
- bentropy ( @bentropy@feddit.de ) 8•1 year ago
Wow you guys hate apple more than I do and I really think they’re overpriced but okay hard and software for people with other needs. The apple users I know don’t really think about gaming at all, wondering how many seriously do.
- Cornelius ( @Cornelius@lemmy.ml ) 7•1 year ago
The hatred has nothing to do with the products but the lack of participation in open standards like OpenGL or Vulkan.
Their products are incredibly well made (though I’d fuckin hope so given the pricing) and their software experience (barring the lack of good graphics API support) is quite nice.
- airportline ( @airportline@lemmy.ml ) English4•1 year ago
I mean it would be kinda nice to have games on mac
- AceQuorthon ( @AceQuorthon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 6•1 year ago
Is there a Proton-like software for Mac?
- Cornelius ( @Cornelius@lemmy.ml ) 10•1 year ago
Wine is available for Mac, and Apple has started work on their game toolkit which was shown to run cyberpunk (albeit not well)
So yeah, but you’re probably better off just dual booting asahi tbh.
- loganthered ( @loganthered@lemmy.ml ) 3•1 year ago
Does Asahi have full support for the GPU yet? Would Proton work on a non-x86-x64 architecture? Last time I tried it (around 6 months back, been a minute) it worked great for anything that didn’t need acceleration but I didn’t think it could handle much more.
- sculd ( @sculd@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
What…even a lot of niche games support Mac because there is a market there. But I am not playing a shooter on Mac anyway so whatever.
- Blastasaurus ( @Blastasaurus@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
Whoopi Goldberg is gonna be pissed.