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David Gerard ( dgerard@awful.systems ) M to SneerClub@awful.systemsEnglish · 3 years ago

Good Guy Orange Site refuses to believe rationalists/EAs can be as bad as we're describing and is sure we're just exaggerating

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Good Guy Orange Site refuses to believe rationalists/EAs can be as bad as we're describing and is sure we're just exaggerating

news.ycombinator.com

David Gerard ( dgerard@awful.systems ) M to SneerClub@awful.systemsEnglish · 3 years ago
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    I don’t accept that as an excuse - because if it is a “joke”, then it’s one that only works if they say this stuff all the time seriously.

    It’s the species of “it’s a joke!” that’s serious until someone calls them out on it, then they retreat to claiming it was just a joke.

    This is essay worthy in itself. There is this thing I’ve been thinking a lot about lately around the conflation of the flexibility of language and a flexibility of the definition of words. Just because language evolves it doesn’t necessarily mean that the meaning of words can, should, does, change with it. Every time someone says “it’s obvious this was a joke” they are fucking with the definition of a joke.

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      My favorite Stewart Lee bit is about this. (In regards to conservative trolls, but the point still holds.)

      It’s just a joke!.. But in addition to it being a joke, it’s also my sincerely held true belief.

      https://youtu.be/K7CnMQ4L9Pc?feature=shared&t=265

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        Holy shit, I used to watch the hell out of this routine. Thanks for this. It holds up tremendously well!

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          This came up after. I neeeed to go to a Stewart Lee show

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHY5cFXqQk

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