- HappyFrog ( @HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 90•1 year ago
I wish there was a nazi punching training camp. We need to teach the people how to punch nazis the right way.
- balls_expert ( @balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 34•1 year ago
Be careful punching nazis. A single punch can kill. People have gone to prison for a single punch. Do it masked up!
- Fizz ( @Fizz@lemmy.nz ) 19•1 year ago
Its called a boxing gym.
- metaStatic ( @metaStatic@kbin.social ) 5•1 year ago
The people who knew failed to teach their children about bayonets.
- tookmyname ( @tookmyname@lemmy.ml ) 76•1 year ago
I was banned from Reddit for saying I enjoyed the parts of red dead redemption 2 where you had to kill slave owners and kkk members. Literally said I enjoyed a mainstream video game and the main quest. Inciting violence against polygons in an imaginary world that took place 150 years ago.
Imagine saying you enjoyed playing Wolfenstein.
14 year account. RIP.
- abelcrunk ( @abelcrunk@yiffit.net ) 21•1 year ago
I think reddit ostensibly banned /r/ChapoTrapHouse because the mods weren’t banning people who said slave owners should be killed.
- LockheedMartinPorn ( @LockheedMartinPorn@lemmynsfw.com ) 11•1 year ago
I got booted for saying we should kill them, in relation to a repeat offender pdf file.
Literally the next comment in the thread was saying it should be legal.
- MyFeetOwnMySoul ( @MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca ) 10•1 year ago
Wolfenstein: new order is pretty sus.
In the game there’s actually a Jewish Cabal conspiring against the third riche, which would make the Nazis…right?
Great game tho 7.8/10
- barsoap ( @barsoap@lemm.ee ) 16•1 year ago
And that kind of shit is exactly the reason why there’s still a denazified German version. Killing Nazis isn’t the issue, putting them in a metaphysical context, derealising them, etc, is what’s the problem. You don’t want kids one day to think of Nazis as fictional characters.
- Holzkohlen ( @Holzkohlen@feddit.de ) 3•1 year ago
Wrong. Nazi symbolism is just straight up banned in Germany. There are exceptions for stuff like documentaries and also for use in art. Movies have been accepted as art for a while. Videogames only recently. The regular version os The New Order is now available in Germany. I am german and I have bought on steam.
- Che Banana ( @Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml ) 29•1 year ago
FUCK Nazis
- MrMcMisterson ( @MrMcMisterson@lemmy.ca ) 27•1 year ago
Oh yeah, that’s a shit punch. That guy needs a bit of advice. And keep punching nazis
- Omegamanthethird ( @Omegamanthethird@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
We all start somewhere. Some training and more practice.
- perviouslyiner ( @perviouslyiner@lemm.ee ) 27•1 year ago
Rage against the machine
- Space_Jamke ( @Space_Jamke@lemm.ee ) 13•1 year ago
Former Speaker of the House, ® Paul Ryan’s favorite band
(He didn’t understand that he was a cog in the machine they were raging against)
- chaogomu ( @chaogomu@kbin.social ) 21•1 year ago
I was once banned from Reddit for correctly pointing out that the medically approved cure for Nazism is one fist, applied directly to the face repeatedly until the afflicted individual stops being a Nazi.
The medical professional applying this cure can substitute any handy blunt object for their first if so desired.
- Darnov ( @Darnov@kbin.social ) 10•1 year ago
Similar thing happened to me.
The Nazi that I responded to had threatening language, and wished harm on me and whatnot, but they remained unpunished.- Space_Jamke ( @Space_Jamke@lemm.ee ) 6•1 year ago
I got banned off /r/politics because of an article about a Fox News reporter who was caught lying about the election and inciting viewers to commit revolution (i.e. treason and assassination). I commented that he should stuff it up his ass, and got kicked for “death threats.”
Mod was probably a powertripping wingnut masquerading as an independent. “Centrists” who coddle and defend the fascists are no less fascist themselves, and if that hurts their feelings then I have some nice horse paste for them to cry into.
- BurtsBS ( @BurtsBS@lemm.ee ) 16•1 year ago
Ah the “master race”
Known for their unkempt appearance, spaghetti arms and size 26 preteen pants.
Also known for being defeated in perpetuity (just like those commie fuckin pieces of shit on the other end of the spectrum).
- Space_Jamke ( @Space_Jamke@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
Commies speedrun civilization suicide because the government hoards all the money and let the workers starve.
Nazis drag out the process because capitalism incentivizes work (until it doesn’t, e.g. LSC) and maximizing suffering for outgroups gets them off, but eventually their anti-intellectual groupthink hits critical mass and they unalive themselves in some colossally stupid fashion while claiming germs aren’t real and that they totally didn’t get scammed out of their life savings because Lord Donald told them to.
- HikingVet ( @HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•1 year ago
All you have to do with commies though is isolate them. They’ll stop being commie one way or another.
- Excrubulent ( @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ) 15•1 year ago
I’ve only just joined after about 11 years on reddit, and I’ve only just realised we can say this shit about nazis here. I feel like a weight just lifted off my back.
- DessertStorms ( @DessertStorms@kbin.social ) 15•1 year ago
At first I was a little uncomfortable with votes being visible on kbin, but I have to say, the small adjustment to my own habits is well worth being able to see who downvotes this kind of thing so I can pre-emptively block them and avoid ever interacting with such scum.
- AItoothbrush ( @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ) 14•1 year ago
Cool but slippery slope Edit: I feel like a lot of people dont get it. For an example if you ban nazis and they get power they can ban the left side or trans people(etc you get the point). Also just banning stuff can screw up things. Same with allowing hitting someone for their (flawed) ideology. You have to assume that your enemies and also yourself dont have morals. Nazis think they are the good side(idk actually, im not a nazi). Violence and banning things should only be used as an extreme measure.
- Radicalized ( @Radicalized@lemmy.one ) English37•1 year ago
It’s a sheer cliff really. Either you’re punching a nazi or you’re punching someone that doesn’t deserve it. Nazis are usually proud of being Nazis, so they show off with these salutes and their dumb swastika flags. It’s ok to punch people like this. It should in fact be legal.
- ImplyingImplications ( @ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ) 31•1 year ago
slippery slope
Nope. A Nazi is well defined.
Conceptual slippery slope arguments assume that because we cannot draw a distinction between adjacent stages, we cannot draw a distinction between any stages at all.
Example: "There is no essential difference between 199 and 200 grains of sand or 200 and 201 grains and so on. Thus, there is no difference between 1 grain of sand and 3 billion grains of sand.”
- MyFeetOwnMySoul ( @MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca ) 8•1 year ago
I think he means that it’s a dangerous precident. Opening the door to political violence not only makes your side look barbarous, but is also a potential justification for future political violence against an arbitrary group.
I hate Nazis, but we shouldn’t be punching people for saying stupid, hateful shit.
We should be mocking them mercilessly.
- ImplyingImplications ( @ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ) 29•1 year ago
If your neighbours started saying your family needs to be put into gas chambers you’d laugh it off? Nazis believe in genocide. It is not a laughing matter. It is a threat.
- MyFeetOwnMySoul ( @MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca ) 3•1 year ago
Believing in racial superiority is as absurd as a flat earth, but in-order to be willing to punch someone, you have to take their ideas seriously enough to find them threatening, there-by legitimizing them [for the audience the Nazi is targeting].
Some rando standing on a street espousing the deranged ramblings of a long-dead dictator is not a legitimate threat in my eyes.
If the rando is somehow having their verbal excrement backed by the state, then we can talk about violence, but that is not currently the case where I live, and in most of the world.
I don’t want to debate a Nazi about whether the emperor’s clothes are ugly or not. I’m going to tell everyone the emperor has no clothes.
- Sharkwellington ( @Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ) 7•1 year ago
Some rando standing on a street espousing the deranged ramblings of a long-dead dictator is not a legitimate threat in my eyes.
That’s exactly the first scene of the Twilight Zone episode He’s Alive. Not that it proves anything as it’s just a fictional story but it’s the first thing I thought of.
An article that also comes to mind is Bartender explains why he swiftly kicks out Nazis even if they’re ‘not bothering anyone’. Basically, if you allow the “rando” Nazi’s a safe place to congregate they’ll tell all their friends who tell their friends and eventually your bar, town square, etc are the local Nazi hangout and the extremists start showing up. Now you have too many Nazis to safely and easily remove.
Now, you absolutely don’t need to use violence as your language of choice, what’s most important is that you make it loud and clear that trying to put down roots is going to be more trouble than it’s worth.
- MyFeetOwnMySoul ( @MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca ) 3•1 year ago
Oh for sure. I’m not at all for leaving Nazis alone. Like I said, they should be mocked merciless. They should know just exactly how deranged they sound, and they should feel bad for opening their dumb mouths. However, no matter how dumb their mouth may be, you don’t get to punch them in it.
- imPastaSyndrome ( @imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee ) 8•1 year ago
Congratulations you are privileged enough to laugh because they aren’t affecting your life
- DiachronicShear ( @DiachronicShear@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
Nazis already preach political violence so who cares?
- twelve20two ( @Twelve20two@slrpnk.net ) 2•1 year ago
I agree with you. It’s a lot harder to make that effective, though.
- krackalot ( @krackalot@vlemmy.net ) 24•1 year ago
This is said as if they wouldn’t ban the left otherwise, or are not already banning being trans or books right now.
- AItoothbrush ( @AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ) 4•1 year ago
Yeah thats true
- jtk ( @jtk@lemmy.sdf.org ) English20•1 year ago
Violence and banning things should only be used as an extreme measure.
This is the “extreme” everyone keeps talking about. The line is like 300 yards behind it.
- Candelestine ( @Candelestine@lemmy.ca ) 11•1 year ago
Life is nothing but slippery slopes in all directions. Get used to it and stop falling for it as a line.
- TheSaneWriter ( @thesanewriter@vlemmy.net ) 10•1 year ago
Nah, they’ll ban leftism and trans people either way. It’s not like the Weimar Republic banned Nazism, and yet Hitler still banned every other political party and did the Holocaust. Fascist ideologies must be strangled in the cradle, so punching Nazis is fine.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
For an example if you ban nazis and they get power they can ban the left side or trans people
- That’s why we need to make sure they don’t get power.
- If they do get power, they’ll ban leftists and trans people anyway. The OG Nazis did.
- Evergreen5970 ( @Evergreen5970@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
I agree with the Paradox of Tolerance being solved by “it doesn’t cover the intolerant.” I’m cool with banning Nazi speech, and kicking Nazis out of shops and bars no questions asked. Maybe I’m just too idealistic, but I also believe everyone has human rights that shouldn’t be violated. Even if you did take away others’ rights in your life—what matters to me is that you have your capacity to hurt others taken away, not that you suffer in kind. (I am fully aware that killing people does stop that individual from being able to hurt others.) I’ve always believed an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And people do change.
This reaction also probably comes from my strong aversion to violence. Can’t see any realistic violence without reacting poorly, and even a few cartoony violent things will freak me out. I’m possibly just knee-jerking “no no omg wtf” to any kind of speech that celebrates any form of real-life violence.
I do understand the argument that their entire worldview is “commit violence against the others” and so perhaps punching Nazis is simply a preemptive strike against people who have actively chosen this belief. I do understand self-defense. If someone punches you and the conditions make it so running away is not an option available to you, by all means I will not fault you for punching back. And if things get to the point where you’ve already tried all the peaceful solutions and someone just keeps being harmful anyways, I can see violence being a last resort to make them stop hurting you or others. I think my problem is that I’m aware that sometimes, punching a schoolyard bully will stop them from hurting you anymore, but I’ve never heard of punching a Nazi stopping them from doing harm to anyone. Which makes the “this is okay because it’s a preemptive strike to stop them from hurting anyone” argument fall flat to me. I’ve heard of bringing a military against them stopping them from doing harm in WWII, but I haven’t heard of the same for punching individual Nazis.
I’m very used to people online being cruel to acceptable targets, for what seems to me like cruelty for the sake of it, and shutting down any “wait, that seems a little mean and unnecessary” with “so you’re DEFENDING them? You’re a bootlicker.” So I’m not sure if what I’m looking at is the minority frustration I’m not supposed to tone police, or if it’s glee in violence against an acceptable target for the sake of violence. And I’ll risk being a tone policer and getting corrected when it comes to people celebrating violence. By all means, I’d love to find out that punching individual Nazis actually a “maybe I’ll stop being horrible to them” effect, that people are advocating violence for the sake of protecting themselves and others and not just violence for the sake of exerting power over a disliked group (and yes, I know Nazis are the oppressors and I am not trying to compare it to violence against oppressed and disliked groups).
- python ( @python@programming.dev ) 11•1 year ago
You also wanna make sure to get in the habit of punching with your thumb at the side of your fist and not in front of your index finger, cause you might otherwise break your own thumb on impact.
- Sharkwellington ( @Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ) 9•1 year ago
Don’t hold it inside your fingers either for the same reason.
- chemical_cutthroat ( @chemical_cutthroat@kbin.social ) 10•1 year ago
I definitely appreciate any punch that gets thrown in a Nazi’s direction, but I agree, stay safe. If you have a can of industrial strength bear mace, use that, instead. Really get in in their holes, too. Mouth, ear, and nose. If you are brave enough, try other holes, too. Every hole filled with bear mace is one less hole spewing vile hate speech.
- willisaguy ( @willisaguy@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
So bear mace is typically weaker than mace meant for people. So I recommend full power self defense mace/pepper spray for use against nazis. Other than that small detail, I’m fully on board with your recommended plan.
- mala ( @mala@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
But it comes in bigger cans, so you can spray longer. A reasonable tradeoff under some conditions.
I pulled a crazy guy off of a gas station attendant after he’d been hosed down with a gallon of the shit. I was covered in it afterwards, too, because it rubbed off on me and my clothes. I had to go to work with that shit soaking into my skin. I can say from prolonged personal experience, I don’t want ANY mace, human, bear, or fucking manatee, on me, ever. That shit sucks.
- cloaker ( @cloaker@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
Bowling ball
- Bombaaa ( @Bombaaa@lemmynsfw.com ) 9•1 year ago
Cringe take to glorify any violence for having an opinion even if its offensive just as yours could be equally offensive to them. If you say your feelings aren’t hurt then you actually think violence is a good cause lol
- DFTBA_FTW ( @DFTBA_FTW@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 21•1 year ago
Paradox of tolerance, fuck nazis
- Bombaaa ( @Bombaaa@lemmynsfw.com ) 1•1 year ago
1st amendment
- HikingVet ( @HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org ) 3•1 year ago
All the American 1st amendment does is protect you from retaliation from the government if you bad mouth them. You start with that fascist shit and someone decides to introduce you to consequences, well have fun.
- Bombaaa ( @Bombaaa@lemmynsfw.com ) 1•1 year ago
?
- DFTBA_FTW ( @DFTBA_FTW@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 2•1 year ago
The first amendment means that you can say whatever you want (with a few exceptions) and the government can not censor you. It means that you can call the president an ass clown or say that MTG looks like an inbred troglodyte and you won’t end up fined or in jail. It does NOT mean that you are free from the sociatial consequences of your actions. It does NOT mean that Twitter/Facebook/Insta/Reddit/Etc… have to let you say what you want. It does NOT mean you can’t get kicked out of a resteraunt for wearing a swastika. It does NOT mean you won’t get jacked in the face for being a nazi (though it’s still assault and you can sue on those grounds, but you wouldn’t be able to sue them for infringing on your 1st amendment right).
- littlecolt ( @littlecolt@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
He is being very polite in telling you that you do not have a solid grasp of the constitution or any of its amendments, let alone the first. You a big fan of the establishment clause, too? Just curious.
- anon ( @anon@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
everyone is gansta until someone pulls the paradox of tolerance by karl popper.
I don’t like philosophers in general but I think karl popper is specially full of shit, but I agree with your sentiment, I mean, who can in their right mind be against a “fuck nazis” comment?
- littlecolt ( @littlecolt@lemm.ee ) 8•1 year ago
Violence is good, especially when punching nazis. The ideology is inherently violent. Punching a nazi is always self-defense.
- Bombaaa ( @Bombaaa@lemmynsfw.com ) 1•1 year ago
We have amendments for a reason
- littlecolt ( @littlecolt@lemm.ee ) 4•1 year ago
I like to amend my knuckles to a Nazi’s jaw.
- Bombaaa ( @Bombaaa@lemmynsfw.com ) 1•1 year ago
idc what you think. he wont go to jail and you will for assault, thats how the system works
- littlecolt ( @littlecolt@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
Having done what is right, I will have no regrets. Perhaps he will have some. I wish even more upon him. His opinion is “I’m going to use the force of law to kill you as soon as I can” and if he gets punched for that repugnant idea, so be it.
- Phat_Albert ( @Phat_Albert@lemmy.zip ) 3•1 year ago
Agreed. Knuckle-dragger response. Have everybody put together an “It’s OK to punch a ____” list, compile it, and let’s have a look. Won’t be pretty.
- Bombaaa ( @Bombaaa@lemmynsfw.com ) 1•1 year ago
We have amendments for a reason
- littlecolt ( @littlecolt@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
What do you suppose that guy’s opinion is that so angered these people?
- TGhost ( @TGhost@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 9•1 year ago
Isnt there an community avalaible for this kinds of things regarding nazis ? if yes pls give it to me. If no, pls create it.
- noctisatrae ( @noctisatrae@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
You want to feel bad looking at rageclick content in your free-time?
Reminder that Mahatma Gandhi was a plant by the UK government to stop the india independence movement, and delayed independence by decades. Also a pedophile. Nonviolent protest doesn’t work.
- Beelzebubba ( @Beelzebubba@mander.xyz ) 3•1 year ago
Do you have sources for this? Curious to know more, thanks in advance.
Sure, here’s one: https://himjournals.com/article/articleID=302
Alow me to quote Justice Markandey Katju, justice of the supreme court of india (source)
Gandhi—A British Agent This post is bound to draw a lot of flak at me, but that does not matter as I am not a popularity seeker I have often said things knowing that initially that will make me very unpopular, and I will be vilified and denounced by many. Nevertheless I say such things.as I believe they must be said in my country’s interest. I submit that Gandhi was objectively a British agent who did great harm to India. These are my reasons for saying this :
- India has tremendous diversity, so many religions, castes, races, languages, etc ( see my article ’ What is India ?’ on my blog justicekatju.blogspot.in ). Realizing this the British policy was of divide and rule ( see online ’ History in the Service of Imperialism ’ , which is a speech delivered by Prof. B.N. Pande in the Rajya Sabha ). By constantly injecting religion into politics continuously for several decades, Gandhi furthered the British policy of divide and rule. If we read Gandhi’s public speeches and writings ( e.g. in his newspapers ‘Young India’, ’ Harijan ', etc ) we find that ever since Gandhi came to India from South Africa in 1915 or so till his death in 1948, in almost every speech or article he would emphasize Hindu religious ideas e.g. Ramrajya, Go Raksha ( cow protection ), brahmacharya ( celibacy ), varnashram dharma ( caste system ), etc ( see Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi ). Thus Gandhi wrote in ’ Young India ’ on 10.6.1921 " I am a Sanatani Hindu. I believe in the varnashram dharma. I believe in protection of the cow ". In his public meetings the Hindu bhajan ’ Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram ’ would be loudly sung. Now Indians are a religious people, and they were even more religious in the first half of the 20th century. A sadhu or swamiji may preach such ideas to his followers in his ashram, but when they are preached day in and day out by a political leader, what effect will these speeches and writings have on an orthodox Muslim mind ? It would surely drive him towards a Muslim organization like the Muslim League, and so it did. Was this not serving the British policy of divide and rule ? By constantly injecting religion into politics for several decades, was Gandhi not objectively acting as a British agent ?
- In India a revolutionary movement against British rule had started in the early 20th century under the Anushilan Samiti, Jugantar, and revolutionaries like Surya Sen, Ramprasad Bismil ( who wrote the song ’ Sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamare dil mein hai ), Chandrashekhar Azad, Ashfaqulla, Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, etc ( who were all hanged by the British ). Gandhi successfully diverted the freedom struggle from this revolutionary direction to a harmless nonsensical channel called Satyagrah. This also served British interests.
- Gandhi’s economic ideas were thoroughly reactionary. He advocated self sufficient village communities, though everybody knows that these communities were totally casteist and in the grip of landlords and money lenders…Gandhi was against industrialization, and preached handspinning by charkha and other such reactionary nonsense. Similarly, his ’ trusteeship ’ theory was all nonsense, and an act of deceiving the people Some people praise Gandhi’s bravery in going to Noakhali, etc to douse the communal violence at the time of Partition. But the question is why did he help setting the house on fire in the first place by preaching religious ideas in public political meetings for several decades, which were bound to divide the Indian people on religious lines? First you set the house on fire, and then you do the drama of trying to douse the flames.
Further details on his status as a british agent: https://himjournals.com/article/articleID=302
- MyFeetOwnMySoul ( @MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca ) 12•1 year ago
For the record, himjournals.com, while masquerading as an academic publication, is actually an “open academic journal” meaning that its pay to play if you want your work published (payments is one of the main links in the header).
While I have no specific knowledge of this “journal”, open academic journals are infamous for have little or no peer-review process—despite publicly claiming otherwise—and allowing authors to publish whatever serves the author’s agenda.
TL;DR: this source has the approximate credibility of a blog post, so think critically before accepting it’s conclusions.
- Melonplant ( @Melonplant@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
Wait, really? Source?