It barely fits in the bloody car park. So bad for pedestrians and the environment.
Oh god the reddit f150 posts have made it to lemmy. Didn’t take long
lmao my bad I just saw the article and couldn’t believe the size of the thing.
Your post certainly struck a nerve!
They’re every inconvenience rolled in to one. A pain to get in. A pain to park. Use heaps of fuel. Don’t fit in garages, and to top it off are expensive AF. I’m confident in saying unless you tow like, horse floats on the regular, if you own one you’re a fucking idiot.
They’re also way more dangerous. They do more damage if they hit something, and because of the terrible visibility they’re more likely to hit something.
That said, if they do hit something, the people inside the tank might be ok.
They are more likely to roll than normal cars (SUVs excluded), and when they roll they’re generally more likely to crush the roof due to their weight. So yeah, while they’re better off than the car they hit, they’re still not amazing safety wise.
While true on the more likely to roll due to their higher center of gravity, unless they are lowered after purchased, I was surprised to find that at least for the f150, the roof strength is almost 6 times the weight of the truck.
That’s according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety which is an independent review organization that gave the f150 one of its highest ratings.
More information is here: https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/ford/f-150-crew-cab-pickup/2021
I knew the f150 had a good safety rating but didn’t know the roof was that strong. Thanks for sharing.
They’re not actually that bad on fuel. Don’t get me wrong, I’d never own one but a few of our major players at work have them as some sort of status symbol. Cruising in overdrive at 100km/h they can go as low as 6L/100km, but average is around 12L/100km unless you are doing lots of hunting through the gearbox or driving like a dick, then you can see some truly disturbing fuel usage figures.
To put it in perspective, this is on par with a modern hilux, and WORLDS better than the 2022 79 series landcruiser even with all the fuel efficiency gains they made.
To be clear I still don’t think anyone should be driving one here - our roads and car parks are simply not built for them. They aren’t that great offroad either. Really the only genuine use case is towing an enormous caravan down the hwy, in which case I hate you anyway because that’s TWO symbols of you being an inconsiderate prick that doesn’t care about anyone else.
They cannot get 6L/100km. My Suzuki gets 7L/100km. The new F150 raptor R is rated at 10mpg city (18L/100km).
https://www.kbb.ca/news-details/10-most-fuel-efficient-new-full-size-pickup-trucks-for-2022/?ID=200
My wife’s Suzuki Grand vitara gets 9.5L/100km no matter how you drive it. It’s insane to me, but facts are facts. Raptor might be a different beast but the rest of them are all pretty well in line.
I call BS on those numbers. Real world driving conditions would pump them up. And I highly doubt the people spending 100k on these are selecting eco mode and driving like a grandma.
The Raptors definitely are not for the cost conscious. 6l/100km is ludicrous even without the big engine and sport tuning.
I drive a ‘16 F150 3.5L Turbo (with the old 6 speed) and out in the country I might get 6l/100 going downhill, with a tailwind, in neutral. About the best I can do is 23-24 Mpg (10l/100km?) when I’m out in back roads in the country doing 45-50mph/70-80km/hr. But I live in a town with a ton of stop lights/signs and my long term avg is more like 17mph (14l/100km).
12L/100km average is for gas or diesel?
I guess us europeans are used to driving smaller cars, as such numbers sound horrible for a passenger vehicle.
Also in my country we got almost no pickup trucks. People prefer vans for tax reasons.
Yeah that’s not as bad fuel efficiency as I thought tbh. My 2004 hyundai elantra shitbox gets similar.
I used to give them all shit about hooking their wallets directly up to the fuel tank to save time, but it seems I was wrong on that one. There’s a RAM something or other, an F150 and a Chevy Silverado in the circle of super ultra power megablokes. They all get pretty similar figures: 12-13L/100km average.
I was pretty miffed because that’s actually better than my comparatively tiny japanese 4x4 gets sometimes. They must have put some serious work in to achieving those figures with such a massive vehicle and massive engine.
European here. Japanese cars just have bad fuel economy tbh.
In the America-centric culture we have here on the Internet, they’re touted as highly efficient because the comparison is usually Prius vs F250, but really you can often get better fuel economy from German cars than Japanese. German diesels in particular. Average driver will probably get the same highway fuel economy out of an E-Class or a Civic.
Pain to get in? The hell are you talking about. It’s much easier getting in and out of a truck than a normal car with the seat a feet from the ground. Especially for tall/old people.
Depends which truck I guess. I’ve been in a couple that were so big that the step up was uncomfortable, and I’m 6’3 so that just shouldn’t ever happen.
Yeah well those huge lifted american trucks are a different story. Typical european truck is much smaller. Nissan Frontier for example though it’s called Navara here.
Yeah the Navara isn’t obnoxiously big. Ten years ago it would’ve been though.
My Navara is lifted higher than most trucks (not by me, by a previous owner, and too expensive to undo). I don’t find it hard to get in at all, definitely easier than our Mazda 3. Easier to reverse/less blind spots/etc than the Mazda 3 as well.
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Damn! I hope you’re doing better.
I ride 10 miles daily on my bicycle and drivers scare the hell out of me. I always assume they can’t see me and are going to do the wrong thing because they usually do!
I had to sell my old coupe to buy a pickup - but it was necessary for the homestead to haul dirt and other supplies for the farm. Although I rarely drive it (I’d rather be bicycling and burning calories while saving gas!). I’m waiting for the EV industry to evolve and then my plan is to buy a nicer older small EV with very limited range so I can scoot around town when needed - something like the BMW i3… but less ugly hahaha
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Wow! That’s insane. Yeah I had a back injury last month and it’s taken me weeks to feel better - I’m finally back on a bike but not back in the gym yet - still taking it easy lol.
For sure I love the thought of E-bikes! I’ve been watching the technology evolve quite a bit over the past few years. My goal is to add one to the collection eventually so I can extend my “range” to get into town without being drenched in sweat in the summer time haha
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I agree with you mostly, and I absolutely hate these things as well. Here’s the 3 reasons someone might have one of these for personal use…
1.) Heavily vested in the culture war shit.
2.) Maybe they own a boat or something that needs to be hauled in a trailer and the engine on a standard size vehicle isn’t sufficient.
3.) They live somewhere really cold and remote and need to attach a plow to the front during the winter in order to leave home.- Frequently hauling items that won’t fit inside an enclosed vehicle
- Frequently used over rough terrain where high ground clearance and 4WD is necessary.
I have regular need for a truck to carry lumber to and from home improvement box stores and lumber yards (it’s remarkably inconvenient to carry a 10’ 2x4 in anything that doesn’t have an open bed, and you can’t fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood inside anything smaller than a panel van). But even with that, it’s far, far cheaper for me to rent a truck for a few hours when I need one than it is to make payments on one, pay for insurance, gas, tires (!!!), repairs, etc. It would be nice to have one on the forest service roads around here–I broke 2 motor mounts on a Civic on a forest service road–but that’s uncommon enough that it’s not worth the purchase.
- Need to compensate for small penis
That was why they specified good reason.
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But now that Holden have stopped making Commodores, how else are you meant to show you’re a dickhead?
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I’ve been seeing those yank tanks showing up at my child’s school lately. They’re legitimately frightening. The bonnet comes almost up to my shoulder.
For complete fairness to everyone we should tax every vehicle on road or path from scooters and bikes to b-doubles based on the 4th power of axle load to properly account for the impact on road maintenance costs. Then additional levies for disproportionate environmental costs and harm to vulnerable road users. Keep the overall tax amount the same but shift the burden so people with smaller vehicles pay substantially less than they do now. And then add strict liability for anything much larger than a kei car.
Yes, however with that it’d be more expensive to administer taxation on bicycles etc. Than what they’d bring in… So not really worth doing at all.
Since the amount of damage caused by bikes to infrastructure would be small, the govt could just slap a tax for the cost to the purchase price of every bike. Not saying I’d agree with it but there are ways to make all road users pay their share.
Surely human powered transport should have tax breaks in order to encourage adoption by promoting affordability though.
I agree 100%
Why do people even like inefficient, huge cars if they’re not going to use most of its features, not even in the foreseeable future? Such a bloated design for an everyday car, and even more potentially dangerous at that… those Japanese cars have a more elegant and sleek design, as well as efficient. Well, I would like good public transportation too.
Smol pp
Big car goes vroom!
As your wallet implodes though.
Ah, I see you’re getting our pedestrian bonker 9000 down under!
Child-runner-over-er more like.
If the bull bar doesn’t squash them, then the tail pipe emissions will get them instead! Not to mention climate change.
In America, I’m sick and tired of seeing them. They’re minivans for insecure dads. They’re props for office workers who want to LARP as construction workers
Every time I see them, all I can think is that they hate kids (huge blind spots) and love to complain about gas/petrol prices. They also don’t fit in our huge parking spaces. Sure, they have their uses, but I really doubt that the shiny, pristine truck is being used to haul/tow anything
The real construction workers/laborers are usually seen driving normal sedans/cars, minivans, or actual vans. Fuck pickup trucks, they’re awful
F-150 Raptor: The official truck of “she hit me first”.
It’s worse in America but it’s coming to Aus slowly but surely. I wish they’d just fuck off honestly.
Where I’m at they are used to tow boats at 85mph while passing everyone on the freeway.
Eh I see mostly only see tradies in Australia driving these shitboxes.
The F150 isn’t even the worst offender, I’m sitting in my office looking out the window and there is a lifted wankerado in the carpark. it’s hood is up to my shoulders and I’m 5’11. They’re not a good off roader why lift them like that?
How the fuck is that even legal.
I used to drive an ND MX5, and when one of these cunt-mobiles was behind me I always tried to get off the line as fast as that little thing would let me because I was certain some the drivers had no idea I was there.
Mate I know the feeling. Biggest I’ve seen, I couldn’t even see over the hood and I’m 6’3 🫠
Are we calling bonnets ‘hoods’ and boots ‘trunks’ now? When did that happen?
I use them interchangeably… guess it’s all the yank media rubbing off on me. I don’t say trunk though, that still feels wrong.
It creeps in doesn’t it? The one that gets me is “y’all”, which I see more and more. I prefer the good old Aussie “youse”. 🦘
I started saying y’all ironically to make fun of Americans and now I catch myself using it unironically every now and then. I also prefer youse but for some reason it feels less formal than y’all (even though they’re both informal??). When I’m in work chats I’m more likely to use y’all but with mates I say youse. Funny stuff.
As far as work text chats go ya’ll fills a gender neutral inoffensive spot so is getting plenty of air time at the moment.
I drive a nc mx5, another issue is that their headlights (which are always bright white and far too bright even on low beams) shine directly into my side mirrors (and often the rear view as well) due to the height at which they are placed. Also, they are often are too close when high beams turn on automatically, which presents further problems for road awareness.
As I understand it is because of emission control laws.
It is hard for manufacturers to create cars which fallow regulations and those big trucks are exempt from regulations since they are “trucks” and not “cars”.
I wonder how can those even be legal, I am seeing the lm more and more in Europe and it is so sad since they are bigger than most streets.
We should just forbid them.
My dad recently bought an F-350. He works in an office and lives in the suburbs. Why he willing chose to get 14mpg with post COVID gas prices is beyond me…
Curious, is your family American?
What gave them away?
Gas prices, mpg, or suburbs.
They only go up to F-250 in Germany, that’s how.
Guilty
It’s just crazy that these things are allowed.
Ok, let people buy them if they really want, but they shouldn’t be allowed to use them on the roads that other people have to share with them!
They should be allowed to drive them, but pay a price for them. Tax the absolute shit out them and don’t allow it to be a taxable right off for “business purposes”. But then I also say that should go for all four wheel drivers. 30 years ago the only people who had anything bigger than a station wagon were people that actually used them for recreational use. The argument of “it’s safer for me to drive them” is the same argument people use when the gun debate is used - it’s only safer because everyone else has one is not a valid argument.
People don’t need four wheel drives - they have them because it’s convenient. If you want that convenience then you should have to pay for it.
taxing them wont remove their massive blind spots that make them so dangerous. Even fwds have some use cases but these don’t, to my knowledge there isn’t any thing these stupid things can do that another vehicle cant do better besides maybe running over children, no one needs one of these.
The bodies are all so tacky too. It reminds me of a super soaker or nerf gun.
Maybe it makes me a bad person but I’d love one, even just for a few years.
I ride 20km to uni each way, eat less than 1 meat meal a week on average and am highly interested in solar/renewable energies but fuck me I’d love a big truck… specifically one bigger than everyone elses.
They do appeal to some carnal desire ngl. I wanted a Cybertruck when it was first announced just because it was big and garish (and I didn’t yet know Elon that sucks). Thank god it’s taking so long to come out or I might have actually bought one.
If I wanted to drive a big truck I wouldn’t get one of these. I’d go for something like an OKA.
only a 4 cylinder so no v8 noises
gvm so high you’ll need a light ridged license and a BAC of 0.00.
Your not going to earn the respect of all the blokes down at the pub if you go to show off your new truck and only drink raspberry lemonade.
