• Fredthefishlord ( Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
      5·
      3 years ago

      Also, blocking users doesn’t prevent them from posting on your shit,

      Good… On a forum based platform it’s better to not restrict people’s ability to respond to things, as it can help combat people’s ability to block those arguing with them right after making easily counterable points to prevent decent comebacks

      • Draconic NEO ( Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
        5·
        3 years ago

        It’s a nightmare for harassment though, treating all blocking as a sissy snowflake shield renders it essentially useless for circumstances where the other user is really malicious.

        In that case having a system like Mastodon’s that locks them out of Replying is better than simply covering them up. We can’t really rely on Instance admins to block all malicious users or defederate from all malicious platforms so there needs to be a certain level of protection from the user’s side.

        I do think that Blocking and Restricting (preventing a user from interacting) should be different functions, you block communities and users because you don’t want to see them, but you restrict users because they are hostile, malicious, or make bad-faith arguments.

      • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin ( PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ) Banned from community
        5·
        3 years ago

        Nah, your right to keep debating ends when someone else decide’s they’re not a platform for further discussion.

        No longer being able to reply to the blocker, and ideally not even being able to see the blocker is the ideal, and both the blocker and the blockee should need to agree to reopen contact for the block to go down.

        Like a restraining order, stops the original blocker from raising and lowering it at will as a harassment tactic.

      • JackbyDev ( JackbyDev@programming.dev ) English
        2·
        3 years ago

        Remember blocking on Reddit? It made it so you couldn’t reply to anything in the chain. So if someone different replied to you you wouldn’t be able to reply to them even though they aren’t who blocked you.

    • TWeaK ( TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English
      73·
      3 years ago

      Lemmy.ml is somewhat more neutral. In Lemmygrad you can sometimes have a discussion, but you will probably be downvoted. Hexbear is just toxic, it’s like Lemmygrad but for 14 year olds.

            • thepaperpilot ( thepaperpilot@beehaw.org ) 
              7·
              3 years ago

              If you go to very leftist areas of the internet (socialist or communist areas, anywhere from anarchistic (bottom left) to authoritarian (top left)) you’ll see people using liberalism by its political science definition, rather than the definition its taken on within American culture. It stems from the idea of capital moving freely (that is, liberally) without restrictions. You’ll also see it referred to as neoliberalism in the same spaces.

              Full disclosure, I myself am pretty extremely socially libertarian (arguably borderline anarchistic), and have used liberal derogatively myself.

            • Microw ( Microw@lemm.ee ) 
              4·
              3 years ago

              I don’t visit ani.social, a quick glimpse just now shows me a few Images that seem like borderline, but not straight-up “drawn sexualized child characters”. No idea how they usually are.

              But from following the story, it seems pretty typical that even the lemmy.ml admins - who develop Lemmy as a whole - would do a defederation without a public transport process or even a notification to the deferated instance. That’s straight up unpolite.

        • TWeaK ( TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English
          7·
          3 years ago

          Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It’s debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.

          Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I’ve had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.

          Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn’t break any rules.

          Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they’re still looking for any excuse. I haven’t had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn’t consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.

          One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.

          • Diva (she/her) ( Diva@lemmy.ml ) 
            2·
            3 years ago

            the modlogs are public, anyone can just go on hexbear, plug in your name and see why you got banned:

            here’s one of your removed comments:

            mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by TWeaK@lemm.ee

            the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)

            mod Banned TWeaK@lemm.ee reason: convicted on purgery (malding over a comm ban :farquaad-point:)

            • TWeaK ( TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English
              2·
              3 years ago

              Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.

              here’s one of your removed comments:

              mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by TWeaK@lemm.ee

              So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.

              the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)

              It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.

                • TWeaK ( TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English
                  1·
                  3 years ago

                  I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.

                  In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.

        • SSUPII ( SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ) 
          4·
          3 years ago

          And attempt to engage in secondary unused communities? A lot of the most active communities are on it, you are just asking for your home page to be either way too filtered or a wasteland.

        • PrivateNoob ( PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz ) 
          12·
          3 years ago

          Yes indeed but despite their more extreme beliefs compared to the average lemmings, they are quite lenient and accepting with lemmy.ml. I wouldn’t call the devs insane, solely for the fact that they gladly welcomed all the Reddit immigrants despite that they get numerous hate posts about their ideology.

          Just to clarify, I’m just a normal libcenter guy, not an extremist.

            • TWeaK ( TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English
              3·
              3 years ago

              But most of the moderation is done by community moderators, not admin. So it isn’t necessarily the face of the instance but the face of each individual community.

              However, if the moderator doesn’t assign their username to the moderation action, then you can’t really tell who’s done it. It just says “mod”, but it could be a community moderator, or it could be an admin. I can understand a mod not wanting to publish their username with the action, but it should still at least tell you what capacity they were acting under. Generally, I think instance admin are more sensible (with the exception of hexbear).

              Also, when you load the instance modlog you’ll end up seeing moderation from every other instance, and it doesn’t even tell you which community it refers to most of the time.

            • Khotetsu ( Khotetsu@lib.lgbt ) English
              2·
              3 years ago

              As of a few months ago, lemmygrad is run by them as well. I don’t remember the specifics, but there was talk of some form of taking over every other Lemmy instance as well (I know there were calls for it from at least one of the tankie communities, either lemmygrad or hexbear), and the general hostility of both lemmygrad and hexbear users was why many instances defederated from them at that time.

      • Ilovethebomb ( Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ) Banned from community
        4·
        3 years ago

        I’ve had multiple bans from Lemmy.ml, they are anything but neutral. The best way to cop a ban is to make a comment arguing with their point of view that people actually agree with, they hate that.

        They’re also some of the most insufferable people on the Internet.

        • TWeaK ( TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English
          3·
          3 years ago

          Were they bans from lemmy.ml, or from specific communities within lemmy.ml? I’ve only had a ban from !worldnews@lemmy.ml

          Edit: Actually maybe it was for the whole instance lol, not sure, I hadn’t noticed I was banned for 2 weeks anyway.

          Edit2: Seems it was just the one community, I was commenting on other lemmy.ml communities just fine. However the modlog doesn’t say which community I was banned from. Generally, the modlog should contain more information.

            • TWeaK ( TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English
              2·
              3 years ago

              Looks like you have a year ban at POLICE PROBLEM then a 5 day instance ban on another account. Although, I’m not sure it is an instance ban, I had a similar one that had no community in the modlog but I was still able to comment on other lemmy.ml communities (this could have been a federation bug).

              Multiple accounts have had a bunch of removed comments under “Rule 1” and “Rule 2” bans (which are kind of bullshit as they don’t actually reference which set of rules, the modlog doesn’t say which community it was removed from and also most rules are just bullet points and not numbered). Typically these are either bigotry or “Be civil/respsectful”, which way around they are depends on which set of rules. The former is often misused all over lemmy, but the latter can cover any hostile comment.

              Currently you have a ~2 month long ban from .ml’s World News, but that does seem to me a problem community from what I’ve been seeing.

              This one was funny:

              2 months ago - mod - Banned @Ilovethebomb from the community GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

              reason: PUNISHMENT TIME BITCH!

              2 months ago - mod - Unbanned @Ilovethebomb from the community GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

              2 months ago - mod - Banned @Ilovethebomb from the community GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

              reason: liberal

              I can just imagine the look on the mod’s face when they realised their reason would be published to the modlog, trying to go back and change it only for it all to be set in stone. What’s interesting is they didn’t remove any comments.

      • Y|yukichigai ( yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org ) English
        4·
        3 years ago

        Lemmy.ml has several solid communities, including the largest AskLemmy community. Their top 20 largest communities are all pretty mainstream and don’t really see the kind of posts/comments that make people wary of Lemmygrad or Hexbear.

    • seathru ( seathru@lemm.ee ) 
      25·
      3 years ago

      At a point the garbage to quality ratio gets too high to do that. Yeah, I’m sure some decent folks get blocked when you block a whole instance, but there’s plenty of other people in non shithole instances to more than make up for it. I just use whichever method is most efficient at cleaning up my feed at the time.

      • GrayBackgroundMusic ( GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee ) English
        8·
        3 years ago

        unpopular opinion time: hexbear isn’t that bad. I’ve had to block a few communities, but I do that with any instance. I’ve had to block more on hexbear, but it’s not a ton. I’ve had to block more people on hexbear than other instances, but it’s not that bad. I appreciate their different viewpoints. I don’t like echo chambers and I learn a lot.

        • nickwitha_k (he/him) ( nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
          4·
          3 years ago

          I have a similar experience. However, I feel that they have been getting a bit more argumentative in the last months (or maybe the argumentative voices are getting louder). I really appreciate how aggressively they defend our trans brothers, sisters, and enbies but, there seems to be a lot more focus on “dunking” than community building or discussions. Also, they’re at times quick to pull out the torches, rather than clarify and not always successful at preventing leftist sectarianism.

          That said, by blocking problematic or unhealthily rage-inducing communities and users, I tend to get on alright in about 90% of interactions and learn a bit, from time to time, even if it’s not what’s intentionally taught (the commonality of historical revisionist takes in sectarian topics, for example).

  • Kedly ( Kedly@lemm.ee ) 
    24·
    3 years ago

    Isreal Palestine threads are also great for finding users to block. Reeeaaallly petty and vain way to use a decades long humanitarian tragedy, but I personally dont want to listen to the opinions of anyone who’d celebrate violence and horror of that level

  • UnknownQuantity ( UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee ) 
    15·
    3 years ago

    Holy duck! Lemmy has become r/conservative.

    I’m a leftie and can’t stand tankies, but lemmy is becoming a really intolerant place. On reddit we were all united against u/spez no matter our other disagreements. Here, after only a few months we’re talking about blocking instances and communities instead of just joining and viewing the ones that Interest us…

    Perhaps it’s time to let this experiment run its course.

    • snazzles ( snazzles@lemm.ee ) 
      17·
      3 years ago

      Mate I’ve only been here like a week and I can promise you that most people here are left-wing

      Edit: reddit was united with everyone hating each other lmao

    • Kedly ( Kedly@lemm.ee ) 
      12·
      3 years ago

      I just want a news feed that doesnt constantly anger me and convince me to argue. I’d wanted to block TwoXChromosomes on reddit forever because I wasnt its target audience and got nothing out of it. So I’m personally enjoying actually getting some control over my echo chamber for once

      Edit: Also, nuanced takes I disagree with? I dont block those. Its the batshit/extremist ones that I block, I dont feel they are really adding much to my life anyways

      • UnknownQuantity ( UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee ) 
        1·
        3 years ago

        Guess what. I never saw two chromosomes unless I browsed by r/all. You have an ability to curate what you see, both here and on reddit. Blocking and defederating achieve nothing. Unless of course it’s an echo chamber you want to live in.

        • Kedly ( Kedly@lemm.ee ) 
          2·
          3 years ago

          Lmao, I like how you started off your counterpoint talking about what blocking and defederating achieve, and then end your point with “it achieves nothing” as if that erases what you just said. I’m using blocking and defederating to curate my feed. While people are entitled to their opinion, it doesnt mean their opinion is correct, nor are they entitled to have me listen to them.

    • Khotetsu ( Khotetsu@lib.lgbt ) English
      4·
      3 years ago

      The mods of a certain pair of tankie instances a few months ago were talking about taking over all other instances of Lemmy while the userbases became increasingly hostile towards users who disagreed with the idea that Stalin/Lenin did nothing wrong and that China is a perfect country who can do no wrong and has never done anything bad.

      People have the right to not be harassed and take action to prevent said harassment.

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns] ( uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
        13·
        3 years ago

        In a first-past-the-post election you should vote against the most dangerous candidate (such as the most fascist or autocratic candidate) by voting for the other major party (there will generally only be two.)

        This will only slow the advance of plutocratic subterfuge, so you want to get involved with efforts that include election reform to something more democratic like ranked choice.

        I’m nerding again.

  • 31415926535 ( 31415926535@lemm.ee ) 
    5·
    3 years ago

    Yesterday I blocked politics, worldnews, and similar. Feed was becoming nasty, depressing, everyone arguing, complaining, criticizing, trolls, strawmen. Literally people saying it all sucks, nothing matters, everybody’s a liar, there is no point, why bother…

    Since blocking, way better experience on lemmy.