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Qualcomm brought a company named Nuvia, which are ex-Apple engineers that help designed the M series Apple silicon chips to produce Oryon which exceeds Apple’s M2 Max in single threaded benchmarks.
The impression I get is than these are for PCs and laptops
I’ve been following the development of Asahi Linux (Linux on the M series MacBooks) with this new development there’s some exciting times to come.
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I’m just eager to know how much laptops will cost with the new Qualcomm chip. I don’t want to pop champagne too early only to realize that new ARM laptops cost $2000.
New tech always comes at a cost, hopefully with the many manufacturers partnering with Qualcomm in this project we’ll have competitive pricing better than the current offering that Apple silicon provides.
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Youre right, just like the first risc-v laptop which was more than 1k with awful performances. This will probably follow the M series trend at about 1,5k , but arm has a lot of competitors…
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I kind of agree, in that ARM is even more locked down than x86, but if I could get an ARM with UEFI and all computational power is available to the Linux kernel, then I wouldn’t mind trying one out for a while.
But yes, I can’t wait for RISC-V systems to become mainstream for consumers.
Could you explain how its more locked up?
Generally speaking, and I’m not talking about your Raspberry Pi’s, but even there we find some limitations for getting a system up and booting - and it’s not for lack of transistors.
But say if you take a consumer facing ARM device, almost always the bootloader is locked and apart of some read only ROM - that if you touch it without permission voids your warranty.
Compare that with an x86 system, whereby the boot loader is installed on an independent partition and has to be “declared” to the firmware, which means you can have several systems on the same machine.
Note how I’m talking about consumer devices and not servers for data centres or embedded systems.
Interesting, so you cant just use any Bootloader on Arm Linux? Like systemd-boot or grub2?
Same. I’d love it if RISC-V came out with a competing chip.
I hope for Microsoft to just give up and build a new "windows“ which is just an other Linux distro xD
Ducking windows can’t even clone the Linux kernel right now
IIRC Microsoft’s woes in the ARM space is two-fold. First is the crushing legacy compatibility and inability to muster developers around anything newer than win32, and second was signing a deal to make Qualcomm the exclusive ARM processors for Windows for who knows how long.
Deal is going to expire in 2024!
Would definitely upgrade to that instead of my current Lenovo. I want x86 to die already.
Qualcomm you say?
I’ll believe it when it ships
Qualcomm is my main fear also. They will ship it with lots of closed source firmware digitally signed with their private keys which users can’t replace so expect a shitty bootloader and don’t forget about always running hypervisior, trust zone and world most kept secret modem
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I don’t wanna repeat myself, but: 7840u for the next few years, then I hope RISC V will be mature enough to kick some ass (and that framework releases a board for it).
That’s all I dream of.
As long as memory and ssd are upgradable and not soldered on the board, I would buy this laptop
I see Linux users still thirsting over apple hardware
Even if we were thirsting over it, what’s wrong with it? Apple makes some impressive silicon that’s really efficient. The problem is that it’s tied to their products and closed off. You can marvel at what they’re doing on the production side while not liking their business practices.
Whatever you want to convince yourself of, bud. Never buying hardware from Apple ever.
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Why tho? AMD’s 7840HS performs better at 35W and is x86_64.
Because anyone who works at the assembly level tends to think that the x86_64 ISA is garbage.
To be fair, aarch64 is also garbage. But it’s less smelly garbage.
That being said, I’m not expecting any of these CPUs to be hanging in the Sistine Chapel. So whatever works, I guess.
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I can’t wait for the hardware Android continuity… that’s the only thing I’m waiting on now to switch to Android besides the raw performance being equal.
Hardware continuity, what do you mean?
