It has higher user score than critics score on RT, so at least they cannot complain about biased journalists.

Right? Like I’m not against going to the movies for a MCU show. But it just feels like I have to do homework to catch up before I can do so.

That’s just putting a bandage on a bigger problem. They need to get rid of “the Marvel method”. Changing entire scripts in post production doesnt work anymore, Marvel isnt some small studio like in 2008.

Writers strike and actors strike, meant that only minimal promotion was possible

Right?

I have a few Capt Marvel fans in the house and if they’d invested in any kind of pre-release promotion I would probably have gotten release weekend tickets.

Where I live there were ads everywhere and on tons on TV.

I honestly believe Captain Marvel was the start of the downfall of Marvel. Not because of the cast, sex, or anything along those lines. I believe they over did the character. They made her way to damn strong which made all the other characters pointless. Remember when a literal god, the most advanced mech, and the super soldier with all the stats struggled with Thanos? Then Cpt Marvel swoops in destroys a couple of ships and takes one on the chin like nothing, that was the moment.

I don’t understand this criticism at all.

First of all, it was Wanda who had Thanos almost beaten, which is why he had his ship fire on the ground. So Wanda presented a greater threat to him than Captain Marvel did; so great a threat that he was willing to sacrifice his entire army to try to take her out. I think it was Feige who said, around the time of Endgame or maybe shortly thereafter, that Wanda was the most powerful character in the MCU. But people don’t criticise Wanda for being overpowered and making all the other characters pointless.

Second of all, while Danvers did take down one ship (not two, not that it makes a difference), they could have found ways for several other characters to do the same (eg Doctor Strange via illusions, Wanda or Thor through sheer power, Iron Man through nanotech magic) - they just wanted Captain Marvel to make a big entrance because she had been teased at the end of Infinity War (and then also in her own movie prior to Endgame), and we hadn’t really seen her manifest her full power earlier in Endgame.

But the whole point of that her late intervention in the final fight was that Captain Marvel was NOT the overpowered deus ex machina that many fans falsely deride her to be. Because in a one-on-one fight with Thanos, Thanos disposes of her easily - they trade a few punches, he throws her into the ground. She comes back, and he punches her out of frame and out of the film (until the epilogue). The final fight came down to Captain America, Thor and of course Iron Man, which it was always going to - those being the three keystone Avengers of the MCU.

That’s also why all the founding members of the Avengers went unsnapped at the end of Infinity War. Markus and McFeely and the Russos knew they were making an Avengers movie, not a Captain Marvel movie. Markus and McFeely knew that fans would have felt rightfully betrayed if a character, who had only been introduced to the MCU a year or so before, had swooped in and saved the day after a decade-long build up. So they made sure she didn’t. But more fool them - they still cop the same criticism.

And I say all this as someone who thinks that both Captain Marvel movies (and most of Larson’s performances in the MCU) have been decidedly mediocre, though not for any reasons related to her power level.

I saw the movie with my kids and they really enjoyed, but I completely agree with you on all points. I stay up with all MCU releases because I enjoy them, but Captain Marvel has the same problem DC has with Superman: they’re virtually invincible. There’s no real physical struggle and therefore the fights are just eye candy with nothing really on the line.

So now the writers have to figure out how to make them vulnerable and it’s always personal moral conflict or relationship challenges. Those can work if the writing is actually deep and developed, but not when the core expectation from audience is action and explosions. There’s just not the time to develop the story.

I think I saw one trailer months ago that I looked up on YouTube. I’m pretty sure I never saw an actual ad for it. The first I heard it was out this weekend is articles like this. Doesn’t that lack of advertising usually mean the studio has already written it off?

There’s just so many issues with the character showing up on the big screen. You have an omnipotent super hero that can show up on screen and is already stronger than every super hero in the mcu. She was immediately able to go toe to toe with thanos and while I think they handled it well she was effectively the deus ex machina ish for the film.

Then add in how they basically just rushed a movie out to get her relevant and caught up within the context of the infinity war saga. It felt rushed, she had the whole, ‘people don’t like the movie because they’re sexist’ rant, and it just didn’t end up mattering in the larger scheme of things.

Doing this movie was just building on an already lukewarm reception for the character and it arrives just as audiences have completely stopped giving a shit about box office super hero movies.

The mcu algorithm is dead in the water. You’re only finding real success with it when things are either super well done like Loki or if it’s abnormal enough that it’s new and refreshing like the waititi Thor movie (although love and thunder went too over the top and blew it).

They need to shelve superhero movies for a bit, then come back and focus on quality over quantity. I’m ok with the whole atmosphere if it’s done like Loki, but it’s clear that just trying to ram through as many movies as possible isn’t going to work anymore.

Last time I did it was for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and honesrly, I’ve seen Everything Everywhere all At Once before that and I was shocked how lame Dr Strange wad in comparison with the idea of the multiverse.

I’d love a second Batman movie, or a good Green Lantern one etc. Couldn’t care less for this one

I don’t think so, I just think these movies have largely not been very good. Like, I really liked Loki S2, have rewatched NWH a hundred times, I liked the Marvels, etc. The problem isn’t superheroes, you can use that as a backdrop for just about any type of story you want to tell and it can be great. For example, WandaVision tells a very different kind of story than anything else and it was really good. But of course, Marvel decides (I’m guessing late into post-production) they’re going to fuck up all of that character development in a post-credits scene and then ignore it entirely in the next movie.

I think they’re going to have to get a lot more creative about what types of stories they want to tell and what themes they want to get after and stop making them feel like cookie cutter properties. The early phases I think managed this a little better. Like, I remember walking out of TWS and thinking “damn, that was a really good Bond film with a Captain America skin on it” which is a compliment. Somewhere in there the whole thing got really generic.

Everything costs over 100M these days and usually much, much more. I heard someone say The Marvels was $250M