Donald Trump is already laying a sweeping set of policy goals should he win a second term as president.

So it looks like Trump has read the fascist playbook or something. I’m not surprised. I am concerned.

Edit: After thinking about it, I guess I am surprised that he can read.

  •  ulkesh   ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English
    32•7 months ago

    And nearly half of the voters in the US think, “yeah that’s who I want leading my country.” This includes half of my extended family (the math at least checks out).

    I will never understand the sheer lack of independent and critical thinking in the US. I get that the underfunded education system, the complete takeover of editorial news outlets which have never put forth actual news, and the inability for most people to shut up long enough to listen to reason, are just a very small number of examples of why America is in the state that it is; but at the end of the day, can’t people at least see evil when it’s speaking evil things to them? Is this what they truly want — a dictator who has used them, who doesn’t represent them at all, and who will do everything possible to rip apart the bonds of democracy?

    Why are people so easily brainwashed?

    •  Treczoks   ( @Treczoks@kbin.social ) 
      15•7 months ago

      Why are people so easily brainwashed?

      Lack of education. If your people had learned about Hitler in school (how he came to power and not just how the glorious allies under AMERICAN leadership won the war), they would have recognized the playbook of the Republicans and Trump especially long ago.

      •  Kwakigra   ( @Kwakigra@beehaw.org ) 
        11•7 months ago

        This isn’t it. I was raised conservative in a red state. People are aware of the Nazis, they can explain how to use critical thinking and why critical thinking is important, and they even have awareness that racism and oppression by wealthy elites of politically powerless poor folk is a problem. How can they reach conclusions that disregard everything I just mentioned? The same way that many lawyers and professors become right-wing despite their education and fact-finding skills.

        They have faith that the ideas they have based their worldview on are correct and work backwards from that conclusion. Whatever their motivation for uncritical belief of some fundamental premise doesn’t matter because their whole ego and sense of self is tied up with those concepts being true. They don’t have political conversations, just opportunities to re-assert some cliche perhaps dressed up by some poetic philosophical language so that other who happen to identify with those beliefs will know that they’re on the correct side. Cognitive dissonance is so pronounced they would almost always avoid it entirely rather than work through it at a certain point. Some I’ve spoken to are aware that their philosophy is full of contradictions, so their defense is to consider it normal to have contradictory beliefsand demonstrate this by pointing them out from other partisan hacks. They didn’t reason themselves into their beliefs, reason is only to find a credible way their beliefs are correct.

        •  Asafum   ( @Asafum@feddit.nl ) 
          4•7 months ago

          The really irritating part is that they’d see your second paragraph there and say “they get it! The damn left just works backwards from their convictions. They don’t think about anything, they just feel it!”

          They’d read all that and say “not me, you.” and they’d be partially correct as obviously some on the left do the same thing.

          •  Kwakigra   ( @Kwakigra@beehaw.org ) 
            6•7 months ago

            It can definitely be frustrating, and I see this tendency as a similar projection to what I mentioned about admitting to holding contradictory beliefs by suggesting it’s the norm across politics to hold contradictory beliefs. Because the other side is secretly a lying, election stealing, authoritarian, fascist party they have license to be the same to remain competitive. It doesn’t matter that there’s a lack of evidence for that to be the case since their enemies are so cunning, manipulative, and reasonable sounding. If someone is good at making a reasonable argument opposed to your belief, they are an agent of the enemy there to brainwash you.

            In pressing some of these beliefs I’ve had all kinds of interesting rebuttals. I’ve learned that all academics studying Climatology throughout the entire world are in on a conspiracy to promote the “climate change” hoax to enrich themselves at the expense of only American conservatives who are the only people on earth to know the truth. When I pointed out the living situation of the average academic, it turns out I’m brainwashed. Someone honestly told me that. After providing a list of resources to support my argument, I’ve also heard that all publicly available data in general is all falsified to promote leftism. Real information might be found at the library if they ever get the time to find their source and get back to me. You only have to experience the charade so many times before you see in black and white that these beliefs are part of group identity rather than the product of forming an individual opinion. There isn’t a debate happening, it’s just me trying to include as much objective data in our conversation as I can find while they dismiss everything to protect their fragile worldview. I often change my opinion based on new information, even sometimes from conservatives if the objective data they came across happened to support their worldview in some way. The only times I’ve managed to get through conservative opinions is when it’s a young person realizing how much they’ve been lied to. I was that young person once.

            There are plenty of idiot liberals around because there are parts of the country where you can fall into that belief system without ever having to think about anything. These individuals will become conservative the moment they hear the right rhetoric. There are of course plenty of liberals who understand their own beliefs who I have had good and productive conversations with of course. A conservative who understands their own beliefs is someone you really need to watch your back around because they are the ones inventing and perpetuating conservative delusions for their own benefit.

    •  The Bard in Green   ( @thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz ) English
      10•7 months ago

      The most recent On The Media podcast has a section about this (Trump reporting and why people don’t get it that he’s stupid, crazy AND evil) that I feel like didn’t go far enough. They have a guest talking who literally says “The journalists aren’t doing their job, to inform the public.” I wanted to respond “NO, they ARE doing their job. Their job isn’t to inform the public, it’s to make $$$ by creating content that maximizes consumer engagement, while pushing narratives that appeal to their CEOs and shareholders. They’re doing EXACTLY their job. THAT’S the problem.”

      •  rgb3x3   ( @rgb3x3@beehaw.org ) 
        2•7 months ago

        So what’s the solution to this? Publicly funding journalism nearly no-strings attached so that they have guaranteed income and can better focus on actual news?

        But then that creates a conflict in interest when the story involves the funder.

        •  kent_eh   ( @kent_eh@lemmy.ca ) English
          6•7 months ago

          But then that creates a conflict in interest when the story involves the funder.

          It might create that potential, but if done properly, there can be independence.

          In Canada, the CBC regularly reports on things that show the government of the day in a negative light.

          Same with the BBC in the UK.

    •  Quexotic   ( @Quexotic@beehaw.org ) OPEnglish
      7•7 months ago

      Research Hitler’s rise to power and also the rise of fascism generally. Also look up “boiled frog”

      Also maybe read this TL;DR: by GPT. I think the big thing is people feel powerless to stop him. Also nobody wants him to be a martyr. There are plenty others, some worse, that would take his place.

    •  Banzai51   ( @Banzai51@midwest.social ) English
      3•7 months ago

      Ask a 1930s German adult. Fear. Whether it be a crashing economy, immigration, whatever. If you can get the fear hooks in them, you can absolutely get people to vote against their interests.

      •  ulkesh   ( @ulkesh@beehaw.org ) English
        2•7 months ago

        That seems so obvious, but as someone not inclined to succumb to fear, it’s never on my mind as a motivator.

        Thank you for that insightful thought. I appreciate your mindfulness of that. I suppose it seems so easy for me to be able to look in from the outside and bang on the windows screaming at the top of my lungs about the danger of this narcissistic wannabe Hitler, but only to find out just how soundproof the house is on the inside in such a fog of fear and lies.

        It’s a shame that millions of people are unable to divorce their fear from their cognition and ambition. I can only hope they wisen up at some point.

  •  Auzy   ( @Auzy@beehaw.org ) 
    25•7 months ago

    It’s scary how he isn’t even subtle about it either. Even less subtle than his previous plans to overthrow the government (and I’m in Australia, and it wasn’t even subtle with the limited US political media here)

      •  Auzy   ( @Auzy@beehaw.org ) 
        1•7 months ago

        Yeah… Honestly, I get the AUKUS thing, but I really wish we weren’t wasting so much money on Military.

        Honestly though, as of late, I’ve been voting greens…

  •  Teon   ( @Teon@kbin.social ) 
    20•7 months ago

    Last time he was going to let us all die from covid.
    This time he is actively going to hunt and kill us all.
    Welcome to squid games bitches!!

    (p.s. this orange kunt will never be president again)

  •  Melkath   ( @Melkath@kbin.social ) 
    14•7 months ago

    Biden is funding genocide and is working in creating mechanisms that allow him to do so behind closed doors.

    He has also made a few limp wristed pushes for things he has not delivered on, but if he is renewed, he has said he wants to TRY to do some of the things he promised some more.

    To repeat, Biden funding of the genocide of Palestine sailed through with massive success.

    Democrats need to find something better to offer. Fast.

    •  Banzai51   ( @Banzai51@midwest.social ) English
      2•7 months ago

      And you’re going to turn to the GOP, who is willing to deport you to the ME even if you are a natural born American? Good luck with that.

      And keep in mind, the GOP position on the Hamas terrorist attacks is to give Israel all the arms and funding they want.