With BlueSky moving towards finally opening up federation, I’m interested in how people feel about it?
Would you be open to the idea of Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed, and other Fediverse platforms adopting the AT protocol in order to federate with it?
If those technical hurdles could be overcome, would you support your instance federating with BlueSky?
Does the same go for other commercially-owned platforms, such as Threads and Tumblr?
@ajsadauskas @fediverse Why would existing :fediverse: servers waste breath to support Bluesky’s protocol? Let Bluesky implement ActivityPub - should not go backwards 🤔 Otherwise why even bother?
No point in adapting to their protocol, that’s for sure.
I don’t know, account portability would be kind of cool. With ActivityPub with a ban or server shutdown, your account is just gone.
Thats just one feature, might be possible to implement in AP.
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> Would you be open to the idea of Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed, and other Fediverse platforms adopting the AT protocol in order to federate with it?Hell no. Let them adopt AP which is a standard.
This came to digital blows over whether to federate with Threads not so long ago. A LOT of us said hell no to letting Meta’s data vampirism and sociopathic surveillance back into our networks.
@ajsadauskas I mainly wanna keep Fedi mostly noncommercial and entirely nonproprietary.
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I expect connecting with BlueSky would do more harm than good, so effort spent making it happen seems not worth itIf we talking about the complete structure of the fediverse changing to connect to a single service (like abandoning Activity Pup and instead using a closed protocol that is controlled only by one company), then definitely Yes that is the worst idea even.
But since many fediverse services will simply not be able to use Blue Sky’s protocol, because it is designed for a very limited use case, I don’t even see why should talk about this.
However if Blue sky would adapt to the fediverse. It would only be a win for us. If they decide to not play by the rules they will be band. Fediverse is very robust and we don’t need to be afraid of anything as long as we stick too our basic principles.
“No billionaires, probably no VCs” has been a very useful razor for me.
As someone who’s used both, the way federation works on Bluesky/Atproto is very different to how ActivityPub works. It’s very much a backend thing, letting that do the heavy lifting and prevent the user from worrying about it as much as you have to here, rather than trying to make its fediverse a whole experience.
As for Tumblr, there was talk about bringing it to the fediverse and Wordpress themselves have already allowed users of their hosted blog service to opt-in to this, but have not done it for Tumblr. And Threads? Well, there was a pact to fediblock Threads because of its ties to Facebook, so there’s that.
@Flaky @ajsadauskas yeah I think people are being ridiculous acting like this is some plot to destabilize mastodon and not genuinely trying to improve the flaws in activitypub, whatever their other motivations may be
@ajsadauskas @fediverse why would we trust them?
Let’s have this conversation once BlueSky is actually open
For now we only have one instance on BlueSky but I’m deffinitly moving to my own self hosted one (when they enable us to do so)
Bluesky doesn’t even have an app available for us who don’t have access to the google store. So it is a no go for me.
@ajsadauskas @fediverse I’d quite like to be able to link up with people I miss who are on other platforms.
@ajsadauskas @fediverse they have no interest in it other than scraping and selling data, and using the broader fediverse to boost their own numbers to make it appear like a successful platform.
There is no benefit to us to do it, only benefit to them. I question the motives. Who benefits if not us? Why?
Why would we let a money-motivated, privacy-hating horde federate?
I go where the people are and the technology serves me best. For now, it’s ActivityPub. If I end up liking AT and most people are on it, I will be there too.