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oh no, anyway… -Firefox users
Google justified this change by highlighting how extensions using the Web Request API could access and modify all the data in a network request, essentially being able to change everything that a user could do on the web (
which is pretty scary and problematic when you think about itwhich is a perfectly valid usecase of a user-installed extension).
This is good new if you ask me: more people switching to firefox
People don’t even know about manifest v3 let alone switching to Firefox. They will just use whatever google throws at them.
This was true of IE too.
All of this has happened before, and will happen again.
The point is they will know once their adblocker stops working, and they start to investigate why this happened.
So many people don’t use adblockers. It’s quite sad actually.
Guess I just need to keep using firefox. shrug
Goddamnit I missed out again, faaaackkk! Why do i keep using Firefox ? Why?
Well what did you expect from an advertising company with a side hustle in web search.
This article is really wrong, wow. There is already a Manifest V3-compliant version of uBlock Origin, it’s discussed in this thread: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338
I don’t know if it’s stated definitively anywhere, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to roll out that different version to Chrome users as an update to the existing extension. It’s going to be slightly worse because MV3 is still missing some API features.
that version works but it’s always been a lite version compared to the standard ublock origin with far less capabilities and features.
Right, my point was just that the article is wrong/clickbait. The changes won’t “disable uBlock Origin” or “essentially kill off uBlock Origin”.
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
On the other news I hope this bullshit is finally the straw that kills chrome.
Not sponsored, I just genuinely like the product. Adguard doesn’t require manifests because it works outside the browser.
But trivial to circumvent. Just change the origin url from (for example) ‘ads.google.com’ to ‘google.com’ and you no longer can block ads based on DNS blocking.
While it is now not a hugh thread it will eventually happen when they manage to eradicate adblockers in the browser.
Ublock origin is far way more advanced and complete than adguard, though. Cosmetic filtering, for example
Adguard does have cosmetic filtering thou. I’m talking about their paid app not dns servers.
The people who don’t run ad-blockers are many, and stupid.
Those many stupid people are paying for your gmail.
No. My electricity and internet bills do. #Self-hosted #Data-Hoarder.
While I have an old Gmail account I do not use it. My main email account is with (not much better) Microsoft. I also have an account with Proton Mail, which will eventually be my only account.
Highly doubt it. So many other browsers on so many platforms (mobile, tv, Auto,…) are built on Chrome and will have this by extension.
And opening most links in Android apps still opens them in Chrome, even if Firefox is your default browser.
Time for Android to get the EU treatment.
How about the US fixes some of its shit for once? Instead of exporting disgusting practices and forcing others to fix them?
you might have forgotten to set your browser of choice as the default webview
Where do you do that? There’s only an option for Default Browser as far as I can see, and that’s set to Firefox.
I found an option in the Developer Options called Webview implementation, but only the Android System Webview can be selected. On Pixel 7.
I honestly don’t know anymore as I can’t find it. Maybe it was just different in older Android versions, but now I akso just have FF set as my default browser and that’s it.
Hope springs eternal. Most people without an adblocker don’t even notice that their web experience has become an ad-ridden hellscape.
Enshitification continues.
Amazing how versioning can give an air of legitimacy through the illusion of progress.
I suppose this will affect chromium too?
Since Chrome does not “disable uBlock Origin” but Google deprecating manifest V2 in favor of manifest V3 it will be done in Chromium because Chromium does the heavy lifting and Chrome is “just a Chromium based browser”.
Didn’t expect the day to come when I can no longer use Chromium based browsers.
Oh well, anyway.
Does this apply to all Chromium based browsers? I would like to switch to Firefox, but the touchscreen scroll there is terrible, and that is 90% of what I do in a browser.
Vivaldi and Brave are planning to extend the deadline of MV2 by some extent, not sure if it means just like the enterprise policy or will they keep the implementation in code for longer.
Vivaldi is my daily driver. It has the best tab-management, dark website-mode (hidden function), build-in tracker, pop-up & ad-blocker, RSS-Reader, e-mail client, site-hibernation and much more. My hope is that the build-in protection will suffice when ublock origin will stop functioning. I can’t use any other browser anymore.
Vivaldi is my daily driver. It has the best tab-management, dark website-mode (hidden function), build-in tracker, pop-up & ad-blocker, RSS-Reader, e-mail client, site-hibernation and much more.
You forgot excessive RAM usage 🤮
Checked with htop:
Firefox - no tabs open, no extensions: 365MB
Chromium - no tabs open, no extensions: 358MB
qutebrowser - 1 tab open, no extensions: 400MB
Vivaldi - 3 tabs open and 70 tabs sleeping in 5 workspaces, built in ad- and track-blocker enabled + 2 extensions: 450MB
I can spare that 50MB from my more than enough mem for all the extra quality of life functions no other browser offers.
yes it does.
what trouble are you having with FF’s scroll? it’s worked perfectly fine on every device I’ve ever seen, you sure it’s not a problem with your setup?
The deceleration is way too low and it’s hard to get it to focus where I want on the page fast. The deceleration is inconsistent between touchscreen and touchpad, which works fine. I tried looking around for configurations for it but couldn’t find any. Touchscreen support in Chrome is just generally better
They have been postponing it for a long time now. But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3. I wonder why they bother in the first place when they can just focus on Firefox
But uBlock origin has a light version they expect to work with V3
It just “kinda” works. It cannot nearly load all the network filters that it would normally use.
So does it block ads or not? Does it block youtube ads?
Yes, it blocks ads, and likely the YouTube ones too. The current problem with YouTube is just their anti-adblocker which needs very frequent filter updates and unlike MV2, filter updates in MV3 need the update of the entire extension (think approval periods etc).
That was my understanding. People talk about this change like it’s going to disable adblock extensions completely which is clearly not the case. So far no one really explained what the actual impact will be. Do you know that? I see youtube ads might be harder to block. Anything else?
Oh fear not, limiting filter list updates to addon updates is a huge problem. For those users who rarely restart their browsers it’s even bigger of a problem: updating the addon (for the up to date filter lists) also means that all of the already loaded websites will lose the filters until you reload them, which is both not obvious to be needed and very painful, when you are using your browser for other things than consuming.
Also, does that also mean that custom filter lists are impossible anymore?
Besides these, also take into account that approval of addon updates can take a long time, quite often days, while the filters need to be updated more often (once or twice a day) for websites to not break for the majority of the users.
Yes, thinking about it, I still confidently think that chrome’s changes are unacceptable and are dealbreakers, and google is very clearly trying to curb content blockers with whatever tools available. Fortunately I don’t have to use that garbage anywhere.
Not really. In some cases it is able to, but as I said, ublock cannot load it’s filters, and so it can filter out much less things. Don’t forget that ublock does not only block ads, but disruptive popups and obsessive data mining too. With this change of chrome, it is simply unable to do that reliably.
Well, Firefox also plans to deprecate MV2 at some point (deadline to be announced at the end of this year), the difference is just that their implementation of MV3 is more flexible at the points Chrome was criticized for.
Early Christmas present for FireFox, yay!
