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kat ( Deegham@lemmy.blahaj.zone )  to 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 years ago

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kat ( Deegham@lemmy.blahaj.zone )  to 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 years ago
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  • Glide ( Glide@lemmy.ca ) 
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    This is actually a super fascinating example of the way data can be displayed in a technically correct way to lead the viewer to completely invalid conclusions.

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      It’s even more fascinating how everyone is seriously debating over this meme

  • naevaTheRat ( naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    wait 100 F is only 38 degrees?

    Wow that’s funny. I’ve seen so many people complain about extreme heat below 100 F.

    I get that what you’re not used to is difficult but like 38 degrees is a relatively ordinary (now) summer day for me.

    From how people spoke about it I thought 100 F was more lile 45

    • Tbird83ii ( Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Fun fact. -40 degrees is the same in both C and F, and is also called “January” where I live.

      • Ashen44 ( Ashen44@lemmy.ca ) 
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        I live in a place that has -40°C winters and +40°C summers now 👍

        God I sure do love global warming

      • TheFriendlyArtificer ( TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org ) 
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        Montana, here.

        Nothing quite like when it hits -45°F and you have to start closing off rooms and stuffing blankets into registers and doorway cracks.

        Any kind of outdoor airflow can burn so bad that skin necrosis can begin in just 5 minutes.

        Summer in Arizona is shitty. Winter in the Northern Rockies will straight up murder you.

      • naevaTheRat ( naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        yikes. My house is about 6 degrees in winter and that’s cold enough for me

        • Droechai ( Droechai@lemm.ee ) 
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          You shouldnt let the house go below 14-isch degrees since that would create kondensation that might hurt the structure or promote fungal growth. My house is between 15 to 20 degrees in winter and at 15 I can feel my body stiffen due to cold

          • naevaTheRat ( naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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            If I had a choice mate I wouldn’t let it haha. I live in Australia, we make houses that don’t qualify as tents in the rest of the world.

            No real insulation (tiny amount in roof but downlights punch a hole through it), single glazed windows, doors that don’t seal. Power costs too much to run heating :') it’s good shit.

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              • naevaTheRat ( naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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                I have had friends from colder places come stay and say they’ve never felt as bitterly cold as winter in Sydney.

                When I spent some time in the snowfields in aus I was actually warm. Turns out if you build houses properly you don’t even really need much heating. Residual heat from cooking and body heat hangs around for a long time, we’d only light the fire mornings and evenings.

    • bermuda ( bermuda@beehaw.org ) 
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      It really depends on humidity. Humid heat is typically worse and can be really draining both mentally and physically. Dry heat is much more tolerable for humans. As a person who’s experienced both I can concur, the 100F humid heat was borderline horrific.

      38C/100F is probably fine (relatively) in Arizona but in Florida it’ll be pretty terrible. Like when I was in the south for a week it was 98F and the walls were sweating.

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  • Cyrus Draegur ( Draegur@lemm.ee ) 
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    fuck BOTH these date formats.

    ISO-8601 OR DIE.

    • itslilith ( itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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      Good morning on this beautiful day, 2023-W47‐2T10:26

      • Cyrus Draegur ( Draegur@lemm.ee ) 
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        it’s extra handy because it taught me how to better visualize the chronological position of minecraft snapshots! 2023w47 has kinda sucked, from what i hear second-hand, due to some accidental features people were excited about being removed as “bugs”.

      • Mellie (she) ( jan_Melisa055@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        2023‐325T21:11+00:00

    • bort ( bort@feddit.de ) 
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      meh, I prefer RFC 3339

      • filcuk ( filcuk@lemmy.zip ) 
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        In case people need a nudge to convert:
        https://ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/

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          tbh they both have way too many options.

          just give me 2023-11-21T21:45:53.02Z and call it a day

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    • ninpnin ( ninpnin@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      sweden approves

    • lukini ( lukini@beehaw.org ) 
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      When used in casual speech, you drop the year most of the time, so the month comes before the day. just like Americans would say. Don’t tell the people that hate how Americans do things, though.

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        so the month comes before the day. just like Americans would say

        Sez you. 1st of January. 14th of February. 25th of December. This is the way and the truth and the light.

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    USA’s measurment system dosn’t make any senses.

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      • ShaggySnacks ( ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one ) 
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        Winner, right here.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns] ( uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    1776-07-04

    Sorting algos all agree.

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    Tbh I don’t really get why people get upset about mm/dd/yyyy vs dd/mm/yyyy. Is it a little weird? Sure, but personally, saying “July 4th, 1776” feels as natural as “the 4th of July, 1776”. The former is more formal, the latter is more casual.

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      People don’t get upset about saying the date in whatever format. They get upset when you write it in that format without specifying, so that you don’t know if 07/04/1776 is July 4th or April 7th.

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        I love it when someone sends me a message like this:

        Hey there! What are you doing on 4/5?

        ???

        • deadbeef79000 ( deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz ) 
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          You’ll just have to compromise.

    • Eagle0600 ( Eagle0600@yiffit.net ) 
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      One word: Ambiguity. We need to either have a standard and stick to it, or a small handful of standards that cannot be confused for each other. DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY can be confused for each other, so the nonsensical MM/DD/YYYY should move over and make room for DD/MM/YYYY, or we should drop both and just use YYYY-MM-DD.

      • TQuid ( TQuid@beehaw.org ) 
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        ISO 8601 ALL DAY EVERY DAY BABY

        • Kusimulkku ( Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ) 
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          While it’s fine now, it used to be pretty disgusting too

          ISO date formats

          Fooking disgusteen

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        Or DD-MMM-YYYY. Like 05/OCT/2005, which is my favorite if I don’t need it to be entirely numerical.

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          That’s fine because it’s unambiguous. If I’m using another standard and you’re using that, I can correct it without having to think about it.

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      ISO 8601. 1776-07-04. Everyone else is a heathen.

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      Because when usually dates formatted on number follow a descending or ascending order. Year -> Month -> Day or Day -> Month -> Year.

      mm/dd/yyyy is:

      – Month <- Day | Year <-

      It’s not only strange but is also not easy to parse and can be confused with dd/mm/yyyy

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      • mayooooo ( MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org ) 
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        You must do a lot of business with overseas people. It causes confusion pretty often

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          Possibly not even outside their county.

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            Ok, what date is 05/05/2024? Figure it out. And you have to pay me by then.

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              Simple, just pay it by 04/04/2024, that way it has 31 days of processing time

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                Crap I see what I wrote, misfire. Meant 05/03

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        As an American immigrant in Germany, I encounter it somewhat regularly and it still doesn’t matter.

        It was a bit of a problem when they thought I forged my covid vaccination card, because I got a shot on January tenth or something. I would then explain that I’m American and we do that. 80% of the time, they had no more questions, 20% of the time I’d show my drivers license birthday for proof (luckily I was born after the 12th).

        The things that are actually problematic are the unknown tools used for my dental work (my implant screw is going to need to get a custom screwdriver made for it), and understanding temperature at an intuitive level. I understand the common weather numbers, but do I want coffee that’s 55 degrees or 70 degrees? No idea until I convert. Luckily, it’s the easiest conversion to do.

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          Not once on my life have i known what temperature my coffee is or should be.

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            That’s fair. I work at a bakery and make a lot of coffee in Celsius

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      Different languages. In German you never say “Juli der 4.” it’s always “der 4. Juli”. (I am sure someone will proof me wrong by digging up some weird old text, but it’s still never used in day to day conversation)
      I assume it’s similar for other languages as well.

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      So when you need to guess what 10-04-2024 means, it matters a lot

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    The temperature measurement is true though. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

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      The fever temperature, maybe. But the rest makes more sense in C. It’s so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking. Counting in increments of 5 or 10 also works for weather.

      <0C = below freezing

      0-10C = cold

      10-20C = cool (sweater or hoodie)

      20-30C = t-shirt weather

      30C and above = hot

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        It’s so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking.

        Explain how this is useful in cooking

        20-30C = t-shirt weather

        68 to 86 is a GIGANTIC difference. 68 is cold for many many people, certainly not “t-shirt weather”. and 86 is hot, much more than “t-shirt weather”.

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          Who bundles up in 68F? It’s literally room temperature

          Also it’s useful in cooking because it’s an actual, useful scale. You know when it’s 90C it’s about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F. Random number and all

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            Never said “bundling up”. But that 10 degree range is so big as to be useless. 68 is not in the same category as 86.

            You know when it’s 90C it’s about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F.

            What? How often are you putting thermometers in whatever it is you’re boiling? You just heat it until it boils. It doesn’t matter what the number is.

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            i dunno, 68F on a cloudy windy day isn’t as pleasant as 68F and sunny.

            But then again I’m from Ohio and I won’t bother to put on so much as a vest until it hits 50s

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            100 is absolutely a random number, just fetishized.

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          i literally set my thermostat at 69 because its t shirt warm.

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      This is a funny argument I see from Yanks all the time.

      Someone teach these Yanks about negative numbers, please!

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        What do negative numbers have to do with anything? -1F = cold as fuck

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          . F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.

          Usually this silly argument is about 0-100 thing. But Yanks don’t seem to understand that you can do negative numbers, you don’t have to be within 0-100 range.

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            Yes, negative numbers exist, and numbers beyond 100. But they’re not that important. 0 is basically the lowest temperature that matters in day to day life. If it’s colder, you don’t do anything different unless you’re preparing for an outdoor adventure. Same with 100. 100 is the hottest temperature that makes a difference. Beyond 100 it only matters if you’re preparing for an outdoor adventure. The 100 degree scale is about describing the normal range that humans interact with their environment in. Even if it can get extreme beyond that, that doesn’t mean the 0-100 scale isn’t useful.

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              Yes, negative numbers exist, and numbers beyond 100. But they’re not that important.

              They kinda are though lol.

              The 100 degree scale is about describing the normal range that humans interact with their environment in

              But what about sauna. What about really cold weather. What about cooking. Hell, what about my PC. What about when I have a fever. What about really hot weather… The temperatures are about much more than the fuzzy idea about normal-ish weather in certain places on earth.

              Even if it can get extreme beyond that, that doesn’t mean the 0-100 scale isn’t useful.

              It just means it doesn’t have much benefit to it at all. The whole argument for it is silly.

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                They kinda are though lol.

                Not really. Explain what you do differently in -10F temperatures that you wouldn’t do in 0F temperatures in normal life. I don’t want to hear about how you would choose a different sleeping bag or prepare your snow shoes differently or some shit. When your day consists of commuting to work, going to the grocery store, then going home, what meaningful difference do any values below 0F have.

                But what about sauna. What about it?

                What about really cold weather.

                What about it?

                What about cooking.

                What about it?

                Hell, what about my PC.

                What about it?

                What about when I have a fever

                This is actually the perfect example. Above 100 is a fever. Below is fine

                What about really hot weather

                What about it?

                The temperatures are about much more than the fuzzy idea about normal-ish weather in certain places on earth.

                Not in 99% of how people use the temperature.

                And your examples of cooking and your PC are not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about human environmental temperature. But in fact, cooking is another good use for F. You generally only care about a few specific temps. 350F and 400F. Anything else is nuance but basically only matter on the 25 degree marks. So 375, 425. It’s actually a pretty great scale for cooking, with broiling generally maxing out at 500 (unless you’re talking very specific application, like pizza ovens or some shit)

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                  Yes, negative numbers exist, and numbers beyond 100. But they’re not that important.

                  The 100 degree scale is about describing the normal range that humans interact with their environment in

                  “Well what about all these things outside of this range people use in their daily life?”

                  What about it?

                  LOL

                  And your examples of cooking and your PC are not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about human environmental temperature.

                  I’m making the case that your “human environmental temperature” is a shit reason to pick Fahrenheit because we have all these things that surprisingly don’t conform to it. So you’ll have to go outside the 0-100 range anyway. So you won’t get any “benefit” from it, even when the “benefit” was dubious to begin with.

                  But in fact, cooking is another good use for F. You generally only care about a few specific temps. 350F and 400F. Anything else is nuance but basically only matter on the 25 degree marks. So 375, 425. It’s actually a pretty great scale for cooking, with broiling generally maxing out at 500 (unless you’re talking very specific application, like pizza ovens or some shit)

                  Wait till you see international ovens and cooking manuals. It’s gonna blow your mind.

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      You forgot to consider that people interact with ovens and freezers

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        Explain how interacting with ovens and freezers requires knowledge of the specific temperature at which water freezes or boils at standard conditions

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    I’ll grant that farenheit has merit, but for me, the foot/inches distance works a bit better for casual measurements, and stuff that doesn’t have to be very precise.

    Beyond maybe someone’s height, I’d rather work in metric. I’m also very much in favor of celsius and I still have trouble converting between the temperature scales. I grew up with temps in degrees C, and height and some sort distances in feet/inches. IDK, I’m weird.

    The date thing drives me nuts though.

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      I’ve adopted year month day as the superior sorting method

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        This is the only way. DD-MM or MM-DD is confusing when it’s something like 12-03-2023. Is it December 3 or March 12?

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          It’s confusing because of USA, if they applied what everyone in the world uses it wouldn’t really be a problem.

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        Correct.

        ISO 8601.

        https://xkcd.com/1179/

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    this is bait. picking arbitrary points of comparison where one looks clean and the other sloppy. who cares about 8.3 feet or Danzig?

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      Check the community, mate.

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        yes it’s 196 where people post random shit and it’s blohaj zone so we’re all gay. still bait 🪤

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      Idk, 0 being the melting point and 100 the boiling point of water just seems to make much more sense to me than whatever the hell the Fahrenheit scale is doing

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          The freezing poit being 0 is convenient though. I can look at the thernometer, and if there’s a negative sign there’s probably ice outside

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          I don’t see how 55 vs 60 Fahrenheit captures the difference better

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              This is really not a problem with Celsius. It’s a result of us being used to Fahrenheit. We could probably switch and not have any issues after a month or so if we really wanted to.

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        Mostly joking, but Farenheit is % hot outside.

        0°F is 0% hot. Jacket, pants, boots, scarf, etc.

        30°F is 30% hot. Shorts, but with boots & an unzipped jacket.

        60°F is 60% hot. Shorts, short sleeves, & sandals.

        80°F is 80% hot. AC recommended.

        100°F is 100% hot. AC or you’ll melt.

        120°F is Phoenix, Arizona, a city which should not exist and a temperature which should not exist.

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