redcalcium ( @redcalcium@lemmy.institute ) 81•7 months agoATI Rage 128, 3Dfx, S3 Savage, Intel 810, SiS, VIA and Matrox MGA DRM drivers
Those are some ancient cards! Can’t believe they’re supported this long.
addie ( @addie@feddit.uk ) 35•7 months agoI still have a Rage 128 hanging around as a ‘temporary head’ for installing headless servers. Many happy nights playing Thief: The Dark Project with it, and now it’s only good for rendering a TTY at a barely acceptable resolution. And soon, not even that. Goodbye, little e-waste :-(
NaoPb ( @NaoPb@eviltoast.org ) English44•7 months agoWhat do you mean obsolete. I still use 'em.
unalivejoy ( @joyjoy@lemm.ee ) English45•7 months agoMaybe you’re obsolete!
NaoPb ( @NaoPb@eviltoast.org ) English1•7 months agoDamnit you may be right!
Objects ( @Objects@lemmy.sdf.org ) English30•7 months agoDamn I’m old. I had at least two of those cards
subignition ( @subignition@kbin.social ) 7•7 months agoI thought I was old, but I’ve only even heard of the 3dfx 😳
EmbeddedEntropy ( @EmbeddedEntropy@lemmy.ml ) English5•7 months agoI must be ancient then. I recognized, and I think used, all of those cards/chips.
Some personally. Some at work. At work I used to maintain and MS-DOS / early Windows graphics program. I had to test the program’s compatibility with a stack of graphics cards.
aard ( @aard@kyu.de ) 4•7 months agoI’m still angry at nvidia for buying their remains, and not doing anything useful with it.
3dfx had multi GPU support back then, it took quite a while afterwards until somebody else tried that.
aard ( @aard@kyu.de ) 5•7 months agoI’ve been using (or, in some cases, trying to use) that when it was brand new. Kernel side was relatively easy - but there was a lot of compiling custom versions of XFree86 trying to get acceleration working properly.
On the one hand a bit sad to see that kind of history I’ve experienced myself go - on the other hand, it’s probably been a decade since I’ve last used something without KMS, and the ease of use of modern KMS drivers is way ahead of all the older stuff.
damium ( @damium@programming.dev ) English3•7 months agoI’ve had a system in the late 90s with a 3dfx voodoo card. Also had a laptop with a SIS card from the early 2000 era.
The voodoo card was THE card to have it it’s day (mine was an older second hand system though). The SIS card… for some reason they decided that standard VESA mode probing wasn’t a thing they supported and would hardware crash when that API was used. I eventually got it working in Linux after patching xfree86 to not attempt probing when loading the VESA driver.
Toribor ( @Toribor@corndog.social ) English25•7 months ago3DFX
There is a name I haven’t heard in a long time.
kingthrillgore ( @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ) 25•7 months agoOh no, the kernel will lose a whopping 200k SLOC!
- jackpot ( @jackpot@lemmy.ml ) 3•7 months ago
SLOC?
unique_hemp ( @unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de ) 6•7 months agosource lines of code
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The ATI Rage 128, 3Dfx, S3 Savage, Intel 810, SiS, VIA and Matrox MGA DRM drivers were what was phased out in Linux 6.3.
Thomas Zimmermann of SUSE is now aiming to take things one step further by removing the infrastructure for user-space mode-setting.
Zimmermann wrote on dri-devel: The old drivers for user-space mode setting have been removed in Linux v6.3.
The recent Linux v6.6 has been designated as long-term release, so any remaining users have a few more years to get a new graphics card.
These 14 patches get rid of another 8k lines of legacy code within the Direct Rendering Manager subsystem.
If no objections are raised, this legacy user-space mode-setting infrastructure removal could happen for the Linux 6.8 kernel cycle in the new year.
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db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 11•7 months agoso any remaining users have a few more years to get a new graphics card.
Anyone running a Voodoo is doing so because they want to. Dropping support is bullshit.
falsem ( @falsem@kbin.social ) 40•7 months agoVolunteer to maintain the code?
taanegl ( @taanegl@beehaw.org ) 4•7 months agoThis is the thing. I’m betting those are being removed from the source code, but will still be in the git tree. If someone steps up and maintains the GPUs to a point where it is stable and reliable, that’s when the drivers make their return.
All you gotta do is write a VoodooFx driver in Rust…
conciselyverbose ( @conciselyverbose@kbin.social ) 27•7 months agoThen pay someone to do the work.
Supporting obscure trash isn’t worth development time.
DrRatso ( @DrRatso@lemmy.ml ) 19•7 months agoSo just don’t upgrade the kernel
db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 2•7 months agoThen 0-day can become known vulnerability. Yay?
I Cast Fist ( @ICastFist@programming.dev ) English2•7 months agoWhat are you doing that is so crucial to keep a 20+ year old piece of consumer hardware connected to the internet? Honest question
db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 1•7 months agoTo answer the question as given:
https://lyonsden.net/getting-an-amiga-a1200-online-part-1-adding-a-network-card/
https://hackaday.com/2016/12/17/apple-ii-web-server-written-in-basic/
Because. The answer is because.
And if you have a machine that is more capable than those by default then the OS software artificially disabling its use is pretty fucked up.
I Cast Fist ( @ICastFist@programming.dev ) English2•7 months agoSo, there’s nothing actually crucial, it’s for tinkering. I doubt either the Apple II or the Amiga you linked are going to be secure.
db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 1•7 months agoYeah you’re not actually interested in listening to what’s being said. Bye.
yianiris ( @yianiris@kafeneio.social ) 0•7 months agoMany people browse 4-5 pages a day, see a few emails, print a few pdfs, and a core2duo, or x4, for 40#/$/Eu a box run flawlessly with linux and xfce/lxde for example.
Even video-conferencing works fine.Why not?
I Cast Fist ( @ICastFist@programming.dev ) 2•7 months agoThis is not about “old computers” in general, this is about a specific set of consumer graphics cards that are not needed for any of those things you mentioned.
Also worth noting: a core2duo is from around 2006. These dropped cards are from the late 90s.
fornax ( @fornax@feddit.nl ) 13•7 months agoThe drivers were removed in 6.3. Debian 12 is still running on 6.1. Debian 12 just came out and still has many years of support ahead of it (at least 5). You can get plenty of use out of these cards before they stop working.
db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 2•7 months agoBut they’ll stop working due to artificial causes.
rasensprenger ( @rasensprenger@feddit.de ) 13•7 months agoSomeone needs to maintain them for them to keep working. Nobody else is willing to do that anymore, but you can still volunteer as a maintainer. If you don’t, it’s as much your fault as anyone elses.
db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 3•7 months agoThere’s a big difference between dropping a driver and dropping the ability to have the driver. I’ve compiled plenty of drivers.
Nougat ( @Nougat@kbin.social ) 9•7 months agoVoodoo cards are worth money to the right people. They’re used in a bunch of coin-op arcade games.
ra1d3n ( @ra1d3n@lemm.ee ) 19•7 months agoAnd these machines are going to upgrade to kernel 6.8?
- jackpot ( @jackpot@lemmy.ml ) 11•7 months ago
why on earth do arcade machines need kernel updates? the feds gonna hack into the highscores lmfao
snaptastic ( @snaptastic@beehaw.org ) 13•7 months agoDo those arcades run Linux?
Nougat ( @Nougat@kbin.social ) 3•7 months agoI bet you’re fun at parties.
snaptastic ( @snaptastic@beehaw.org ) 20•7 months agoSeems like you’re annoyed that I pointed out that what you were saying was irrelevant? And so you reply with more irrelevant crap (on a very nerdy, not-fun-at-parties internet forum for Linux discussion)? Let me know if I got that wrong.
Nougat ( @Nougat@kbin.social ) 4•7 months agoSomebody mentioned Voodoo cards, I had a bit of information that related to that. That’s how discussions work; they kind of go where they go.
But I’ll make absolutely sure to get your permission before I comment again.
NaoPb ( @NaoPb@eviltoast.org ) English5•7 months agoI agree.
Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 11•7 months agoSo much for the legendary hardware support of Linux!
Edit: Forgot “/s”, but look at this lively discussion!
Lettuce eat lettuce ( @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml ) 31•7 months agoLol you haven’t upgraded your GPU since the late 90’s?
db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 13•7 months agoYou know there’s a whole hobby of keeping older hardware running, right?
axum ( @axum@kbin.social ) 36•7 months agoYou’re free to use legacy kernels or run your own fork.
NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English33•7 months agoIf only they contributed to the kernel maintenance workload.
Lettuce eat lettuce ( @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml ) 30•7 months agoYou know that you can use older versions of the Linux kernel, right?
db2 ( @db2@sopuli.xyz ) 4•7 months agoYou know security vulnerabilities are a thing, right?
Lettuce eat lettuce ( @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml ) 9•7 months agoI know what you mean, I’m so pissed that my 1978 Space Invaders arcade machine doesn’t even support WiFi-6.
BeardedGingerWonder ( @BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ) English2•7 months agoFuckin a
Radioactive Radio ( @radioactiveradio@lemm.ee ) 6•7 months agoYou know there’s nothing to gain by hacking those old systems, right?
taanegl ( @taanegl@beehaw.org ) 2•7 months agoMan, I had an SiS. It was nothing special, but got me more FPS than it was rated for. It was a great little card…
Man I’m old.