Why wait for Microsoft to catch up with what we’ve been doing for decades?
Get Plasma, a modern, fully functional, clean, privacy-respecting, non-intrusive operating system now, regardless from where you live and ditch Windows for good.
- Chigüir ( @Resonanz@slrpnk.net ) 17•10 months ago
Why wait for Windows to change when you can get Linux? ;)
- Diplomjodler ( @Diplomjodler@feddit.de ) 10•10 months ago
Also, if you live outside of Europe, you’ll be waiting very long.
- Killercat103 ( @Killercat103@infosec.pub ) 6•10 months ago
Tbh. I don’t really mind this ad. :) Non-profit? Ethical software? More people should use it
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 4•10 months ago
Not an Ad. PSA.
- forolinux ( @forolinux@mastodon.social ) 5•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I use #gnulinux and KDE, now #kdeplasma since “I don’t remember when” years, before the existence of #fedora.
I use it at work, home, to play videogames, for everything, and I can only recommend them. Step forward, respect yourself, take back your freedom and give them a chance. - elxeno ( @elxeno@lemm.ee ) 4•10 months ago
How will people download chrome?
- Jex ( @jex@mas.to ) 2•10 months ago
@elxeno @kde
Chocolatey. https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/GoogleChromeFirefox, preferably. Also done via Chocolatey. Web browsers for getting a software install is so stringy.
- elxeno ( @elxeno@lemm.ee ) 1•10 months ago
I used that before quitting windows, but it doesn’t help since u have to copy commands from the website to install chocolatey.
- Rastal ( @Rastal@mastodon.social ) 4•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social “We turned your computer into a platform designed to bombard you with ads, full of useless bloatware, a system designed to pigeon hole you into using and paying for Microsoft products, which is unsafe to connect to the internet without an antivirus and which will break every time we force an update on you.” = What Microsoft would say if they were honest describing Windows!
- closetfurry ( @closetfurry@yiffit.net ) 4•10 months ago
Been wondering about jumping ship to Linux after I got some hands on experience through the Steam Deck, but I hear that they don’t have the same wide compatibility with various Hardware, plus there are a lot of programs you can’t get.
If I want Clip Studio Paint, be able to play games with anti cheat AND be able to stream comfortably with OBS and the XLR microphones I have… Can I reasonably expect to be able to do all these things without a hitch?
- Index_Case ( @Index_Case@feddit.uk ) 3•10 months ago
Have been trying Linux Mint on a spare laptop as a complete N00b. Can’t get a huion screen tablet to work, nor an older xp non-screen one. Only option I’ve found for software is Krita (which isn’t bad, actually), but no CSP.
Couldn’t get a controller to work properly either without having to install some stuff via command line / terminal, which I wasn’t comfortable doing (I commented about having to do this on another post elsewhere and some guy was like super aggressive about how I didn’t need to, and was lying apparently… 🤷 )
Other than that, it’s a been a pretty smooth experience. That’s not sarcasm, its genuinely been interesting experience poking about and giving it a go. May just not be ready for my use case yet.
- closetfurry ( @closetfurry@yiffit.net ) 1•10 months ago
That’s honestly comforting! Thank you for your feedback. I might consider it more. How difficult is setting up a dual boot or something?
- Index_Case ( @Index_Case@feddit.uk ) 2•10 months ago
I actually found the whole bootloader and how to dual boot thing a bit non-intuitive and generally unclear as to what I should do. But maybe that’s just me. In the end, as it was a spare laptop, I just went full Linux Mint, reasoning that I can always reinstall Windows later…
- closetfurry ( @closetfurry@yiffit.net ) 1•10 months ago
Thank you! I appreciate the honesty a TON
- not_amm ( @not_amm@beehaw.org ) 2•10 months ago
Since most people don’t use Linux, drivers and software aren’t usually developed for it. Although, a reasonable company would develop just in case or help you get a solution, it’s unusual. Most computers are supported, but there is very specific hardware that may not have support or you’ll find bugs.
I’d recommend you to search (and test with an USB in Live mode) about your hardware and ask in communities about this specific topics. There are music communities, movies, math, streaming, etc.
And no, I don’t think you’ll find anticheat support because most Linux users don’t want closed shady software modifying their kernel (but there are solutions being worked on).
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 1•10 months ago
drivers and software aren’t usually developed for [Linux].
This is not very accurate. Despite having a small user base, kernel developers add hundreds of drivers every new version, and the number of end user programs developed by communities (such as KDE and GNOME) and independent teams, has ballooned in recent years.
- not_amm ( @not_amm@beehaw.org ) 2•10 months ago
You’re right, I should specify that it’s mostly for niche hardware. But even though there are developers trying, sometimes those devices are barely usable or have bugs and/or vulnerabilities.
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 1•10 months ago
Sure. So the catalogue of natively supported software is large and growing fast all the time. There some more devices that need specific drivers supplied by the provider, and some are not supported at all. It just means you factor one more thing when buying hardware: Is there support under Linux? And that is not one half as hard as it used to be.
@closetfurry For Clip Studio Paint, Krita might be a very good alternative (and it also work on Windows)
For games, anti cheats are indeed still a huge pain :(
- closetfurry ( @closetfurry@yiffit.net ) 2•10 months ago
I’ve tried Krita, and liked it, but I prefer the workflow of CSP and don’t want to lose that ;_;
- Radioactive Radio ( @radioactiveradio@lemm.ee ) 1•10 months ago
Try running it with wine. The pen pressure might not work tho still. Or maybe with a bit of tweaking it might.
- closetfurry ( @closetfurry@yiffit.net ) 1•10 months ago
I might try that. Thanks
- Baŝto ( @basxto@discuss.tchncs.de ) English1•6 months ago
You generally need to get software and hardware that is compatible with your operating system and processor architecture. It’s true that the most used platforms will have the best support, but you have that problem with any OS.
And it’s also not like games with anti cheat generally don’t work with Linux. Proton+Steam does support Valve Anti-Cheat, Easy Anti-Cheat and BattlEye. It’s just that developers have to explicitly enable Linux support for EAC and BattlEye.
- Sqaaakoi :flagEnby: ( @Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world ) 1•10 months ago
@closetfurry @kde Please be slightly more specific regarding “anti-cheat”. Do you play competitive shooter games? If yes, then you’re probably out of luck for those unfortunately :(
- closetfurry ( @closetfurry@yiffit.net ) 1•10 months ago
Correct there. Not super competitive as a person, so I play casually for fun
- Locutus ( @Locutus@lemmy.kde.social ) 2•10 months ago
Plasma is a desktop environment and NOT a OS. Might want to know whet you are talking about before posting.
- PerryPeak ( @PerryPeak@noc.social ) 2•10 months ago
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 2•10 months ago
You are right. Also, a desktop environment, at least from an end user’s perspective, is as part of the OS as a kernel, terminal, and its associated tools. We are just using the language that a non-techie can understand and act upon.
Either way, “operating system” is a woolly and ambiguous term that is hard to define precisely and changes meanings depending on who you ask. The common denominator in common non technical English seems to be “software that allows you to manage you hardware and applications”. If that is so, yep, Plasma fits the bill.
- ShredderFeeder ( @ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com ) 2•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I wiped my drive and installed Linux on my primary deskyop the day I saw the first leaked screenshots of windows 11.
Never regretted it. And never going back.
- Divyansh Bhutra ( @nerdfeelscool@techhub.social ) 1•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Using Gnome 45. Absolute adore it’s out of the box polish. But yeah, Linux > Mac >>>>>>> Windows
- Sancho Panza ( @SanchoPanza@mstdn.social ) 1•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Plasma=operating system ???!!!???🤔
- Carl Schwan :kde: ( @carlschwan@floss.social ) 1•10 months ago
@SanchoPanza @kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social Sure it’s not a full operating system but Plasma and the KDE Frameworks and apps are a large portion of the user space, has a lot of hardware integration and is that the user interact with not with the kernel directly.
- Sancho Panza ( @SanchoPanza@mstdn.social ) 1•10 months ago
@carlschwan @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
So if we pull out the kernel/Linux, we can run hardware and applications with Plasma/KDE?
- Carl Schwan :kde: ( @carlschwan@floss.social ) 1•10 months ago
@SanchoPanza @kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social Also it’s way easier to communicate to non Linux users that Plasma is an operating system than a desktop environnement has Windows and macOS have no concept of desktop environnement.
Or do you call macOS aqua?
- Sancho Panza ( @SanchoPanza@mstdn.social ) 1•10 months ago
@carlschwan @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to describe KDE neon or another GNU/Linux distribution?
- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 1•10 months ago
Can you define “operating system” in common, non-technical English, as to an end user?
- johnfocker :archlinux: :anar: ( @johnfocker@mamot.fr ) 1•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I love plasma for not being gnome but I’m tired of all the bugs I’ve got with each and every update on arch. Your stable channel is actually a forever beta channel.
At this point I’m just waiting and hoping Cosmic will be good enough.- Bro666 ( @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social ) 5•10 months ago
General reminder: if you find bugs in Plasma, please report them!
To @johnfocker@mamot.fr in particular: All software contains bugs, but if you could provide some examples of the ones you find most annoying, maybe we can see if they are already solved or look into their cause.
- minecraftchest1 ( @minecraftchest1@social.opendesktop.org ) 1•10 months ago
@johnfocker
I haven’t had any bugs with either Plasma or Archlinux. What issues are you having?
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
- 01adrianrdgz ( @01adrianrdgz@mas.to ) 1•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social KDE, I enjoy the software + the cute artwork, but please don’t be rude to Microsoft!! They also include Linux and they like Linux too, so you and Microsoft should be friends :3
- *The* Paul Brown ( @Bro666@social.tchncs.de ) 3•10 months ago
@01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Take it from an old-timer: Microsoft would crush KDE without a second thought if it ever grew beyond what they considered acceptable in the desktop/end user market share.
All the MS ❤️ Linux is at best for servers only, not anything that can benefit the common people. KDE aims for the common people.
At worst it is PR bullshit ( ⬅️ it’s this one).
- 01adrianrdgz ( @01adrianrdgz@mas.to ) 1•10 months ago
@Bro666 @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social oh that’s bad :c I’m sorry for misunderstanding, I think both organizations should be fair to each other that’s all, thank you so much for clarifying!! c:
- Torben Schweren ( @torben@mastodon.schweren.dev ) 2•10 months ago
@01adrianrdgz @Bro666 @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social right when Microsoft said “Microsoft ❤️ Linux”, they also announced something big: .NET MAUI. .NET is Microsoft’s standard library and runtime when coding C#. It had become cross-platform already, so you can now compile for Linux. Only thing missing was a good UI framework. MAUI was invented to address this. You know what happened? MAUI supports Windows, Mac, Android and iPhone. Not Linux.
Microsoft doesn’t love Linux, Microsoft loves using Linux for Azure.
- *The* Paul Brown ( @Bro666@social.tchncs.de ) 2•10 months ago
@torben @01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Interestingly related: when KDE devs complained to Microsoft that, due to the fact that name of their new product and similarity in functionality to KDE’s own Maui project
they were causing confusion and potentially violating KDE’s trademark, in the Microsoft forums KDE was told to sue them or f**k off.
KDE does not have much money, much less enough to embark in a costly legal battle with Microsoft with a doubtful outcome.
- *The* Paul Brown ( @Bro666@social.tchncs.de ) 2•10 months ago
@torben @01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
They also copied the slogan for KDE Plasma 5 (“Simple by default, powerful when needed”) and used a thinly veiled variation to promote Windows 11.
https://twitter.com/ClauCambra/status/1466153819713191947
They were also notified and they again ignored the notification.
- Torben Schweren ( @torben@mastodon.schweren.dev ) 1•10 months ago
@Bro666 @01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social holy, didn’t know that. That’s straight up evil.
- *The* Paul Brown ( @Bro666@social.tchncs.de ) 1•10 months ago
@01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
How can they ever be. one is greedy predatory megacorporation only motivated by power and money.
The other is a grassroots volunteer-powered association that explicitly advocates both in word and action improving the lot of fellow humans by giving control over technology to everybody.
They both produce software which is often functionally similar. A collision sooner or later is inevitable.
- Alex ( @shved@mastodon.social ) 1•10 months ago
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Never heard of Plasma, nor am I in linux ecosystem yet, but from brief googling Plasma telemetry and developer attitude towards it is concerning
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/f2bg69/kde_plasma_518_comes_with_builtin_telemetry_optin/
- Radioactive Radio ( @radioactiveradio@lemm.ee ) 8•10 months ago
Been using it for over a year now and there’s just one slider for telemetry that sends them anonymous desktop/KDE apps usage data, and you can limit how much you wanna send them. And i personally haven’t heard of any controversy surrounding that. Also its opt in unlike windows.
- Valentin Petzel ( @valentin_petzel@aut.social ) 4•10 months ago
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Sorry, but this is a pretty opinionates post about a simple feature. Yes, KDE has Telemetry options. But these are entirely opt in, so unless you explicitely choose to send data you will never send data. The data that is being sent is fully transparent, as we have access to the source code. I belief it is mostly used for interface decisions (such as what window sizes are people using). So I cannot see the point.
- Flux ( @Flux@social.fluxfox.dev ) 4•10 months ago
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social is opt-in, not opt-out.
No telemetry gets collected unless you explicitly give permission (and they don’t nag or try to trick you into giving it). Overall, KDE is incredibly good for privacy