- DarkGamer ( @DarkGamer@kbin.social ) 21•10 months ago
It’s almost like one must examine and consider each conflict individually.
- ursakhiin ( @ursakhiin@beehaw.org ) English7•10 months ago
I oppose war. I don’t oppose defending oneself. I don’t oppose helping somebody defend themselves.
- avrachan ( @avrachan@lemmings.world ) English1•10 months ago
if china puts nuclear bombs in Mexico and Canada, what will be the reaction of US ?
People have been completely brainwashed to believe that the war in Ukraine occurred just because of Putin’s imperial ambitions, which is obviously a factor. it was always known that nato expansion will trigger a war. US pushed for it because it wanted a war.
- cobra89 ( @cobra89@beehaw.org ) English5•10 months ago
That logic would make sense except for the fact that the war just caused more countries to join NATO. Surely Putin could see that coming by invading Ukraine again. He is evil not stupid.
The truth of the matter is Putin didn’t care what the cost was, he just wanted Ukraine back as part of Russia because it would cement his legacy to the Russian populace.
- avrachan ( @avrachan@lemmings.world ) English1•10 months ago
Putin is evil not stupid.
Stupid Putin invades Ukraine.
- DarkGamer ( @DarkGamer@kbin.social ) 1•10 months ago
And most importantly for Russia, it creates a buffer state between them and NATO and gives access to the Mediterranean via the black sea.
- cobra89 ( @cobra89@beehaw.org ) English3•10 months ago
Also your logic about nuclear bombs in Mexico and Canada makes no sense when hyperballistic ICBMs are a thing. It doesn’t matter where the nukes are.
If you’re gonna make a point about strategic positioning at least make a good one instead of the straw man scary nuclear bomb argument that is only used for emotional reasons.
- trafficnab ( @trafficnab@lemmy.ca ) English2•10 months ago
Counterforce doctrine memes from people who think a nuclear war is winnable and that losing tens of millions of people to the nukes that sneak through are just acceptable losses
- crackajack ( @crackajack@reddthat.com ) English2•10 months ago
I’m not going to bother to link, you could easily Google it, but the West know Ukraine is a red-line going as far back as the 2000’s, when the British government under Tony Blair even questioned Ukraine’s place in the world. One adviser thought Ukrainians are not European enough and that the country is in the realm of Russia. Ukraine at the time also told the West not to trust Putin and that they had “too rosy view” of the Russian president, when at the time the West was on friendlier terms with the Putin. Ukraine did not trust Russia from the very beginning. So, even before 2014, the foundations have been already been set for a geopolitical powder keg.
Also, why the heck do people act as though the Ukrainians do not have their own autonomy to decide for themselves? Do armchair political analysts, living outside of conflict zones, typing comfortably on their computer while sipping a glass of wine, ever asked the Ukrainians what they want? They revolted in 2013 against then Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych when he reneged on a deal with the EU, only to sign a deal with the Russians at the last minute. It is very improbable that Ukrainians were somehow brainwashed to align with the West and “coup” their own government, unlike what Russian propaganda often repeats like a mantra. It is though as if Ukrainians cannot decide for themselves! After all, Ukraine is usually pejoratively referred to as “little Russia”, as though Ukrainians are little siblings who can’t take care of themselves.
- WarmApplePieShrek ( @WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English16•10 months ago
What is opposing a war?
People call themselves war opponents when they oppose invading Vietnam, which is good.
People also call themselves war opponents when they oppose Ukraine defending itself, which is bad. They support Russia invading Ukraine. They support wars except the ones when the US is invading.
- avrachan ( @avrachan@lemmings.world ) English4•10 months ago
nobody opposes to Ukraine defending itself.
Anti-War stance involves opposing Russia for invading Ukraine along with blood thirsty neoliberals like Victoria nuland who will sacrifice Ukrainian people to advance US strategic interest. They want this war to go on as long as they can make it go on. no price is too small.
- DragonTypeWyvern ( @DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ) English13•10 months ago
No one buys what you’re selling. Russia can end the war today, but they won’t, because they’re run by a literally evil kleptocratic dictator.
- avrachan ( @avrachan@lemmings.world ) English3•10 months ago
wow such a nuanced take you got there. I wish I had the intellectual capacity to engage with you.
- WarmApplePieShrek ( @WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•10 months ago
Most self-aware idiot.
- vivadanang ( @vivadanang@lemm.ee ) English4•10 months ago
They want this war to go on as long as they can make it go on. no price is too small.
Bullshit. Russia can end this war tomorrow by respecting the treaties it signed with Ukraine.
The Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other.
Russia invaded. Russia can leave. Otherwise Ukraine has every right to defend itself and it’s allies are wise to arm it.
- crackajack ( @crackajack@reddthat.com ) English4•10 months ago
The Ukrainians want to join the West than align with Russia. Conspiracy theories or not, the Ukrainians in the run-up to the Maidan revolution were agitated when then Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych reneged on the deal with the EU only to sign a deal with the Russians at the last minute. Unlikely that Ukrainians as a whole were somehow brainwashed and “coup” the government.
No one ever asked the Ukrainians what they want, haven’t they? Or are we talking to Russian bots speaking on Ukrainians’ behalf because they think Ukrainians are their little brothers who doesn’t know any better? Ukraine is always “little Russia” for them, isn’t it?
- Queen HawlSera ( @HawlSera@lemm.ee ) English3•10 months ago
Correct
- crashfrog ( @crashfrog@lemm.ee ) English1•10 months ago
A leftist is someone who opposes every war except for the ones the fascists might win.