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FiveMacs ( @Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca ) English54•1 year agoIt’s not always about the performance impact…DRM has been known to restrict and prevent legitimate gamers from playing the games meanwhile those that sail the high seas ignore the useless DRM and continue to play.
Jaysyn ( @Jaysyn@kbin.social ) 14•1 year agoI had a CD-burner that was wrecked by DRM, back when they were expensive.
Hiccup ( @Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English51•1 year agoThere’s so many games I haven’t bought simply because they used/ implemented Denuvo. I see Denuvo and it’s an instant lost sale/nonbuy.
seaturtle ( @seaturtle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English14•1 year agoIf it has Denuvo it’s basically asking “please, get a pirated version if you want this, because the official version sucks”.
Jaysyn ( @Jaysyn@kbin.social ) 13•1 year agoYup, I was going to grab Like a Dragon last week but saw Denuvo on the sidebar & quickly changed my mind.
JohnEdwa ( @JohnEdwa@kbin.social ) 13•1 year agoDenuvo is at least understandable when it’s added to a game on launch to curb pirates for that crucial moment. But like a dragon has been cracked for over two years now, it has no business still having Denuvo.
chicken ( @chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English47•1 year agoIn our chat, Huin implied that this kind of public analysis was not very useful because “gamers [almost] never get access to the same version of [a game] protected and unprotected. There might be over the lifetime of the game a protected and unprotected version, but these are not comparable because these are different builds over six months, many bug fixes, etc., which could make it better or worse.”
So they are literally trying to say that Denuvo isn’t the cause of performance slowdowns, because patches to the game since the version that got cracked made the game that much slower?
Aatube ( @Aatube@kbin.social ) 8•1 year agoNot to mention that time Bethesda messed up with Doom
Aiʞawa ( @Aikawa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English39•1 year agoCool. We still don’t want you.
The way I see it, it’s like if someone barged into my house and settled behind my ficus tree, telling me that I won’t notice them in my daily life. I don’t care how actually inconspicuous they are, I don’t want intruders under my roof period.
GnuLinuxDude ( @GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml ) English38•1 year agoIf a game I think I’m interested in has Denuvo attached to it, it’s an immediate pass. It just reminds me that there is is a back-catalog of games I could play on emulators, too. No sign ups. No always-online. No tracking me. So I end up reaching for one of those. It’s almost quaint to think something can be enjoyed privately.
The last game I bought with Denuvo was Doom Eternal, and as a separate matter it still harasses me to this day to create a Bethesda account (I have to switch Steam to offline mode to bypass that). It still has that stupid DRM on it after all these years. What a waste.
Einar ( @original_reader@lemmy.ml ) English35•1 year agoI see Denuvo, I don’t buy.
Simple.
thecoolowl ( @thecoolowl@lemmy.one ) English25•1 year agoWhere I’m from, it’s legal to download cracked games so long as you’ve bought it legitimately. Paying for games isn’t a problem, it’s treating everyone as suspects that bugs me.
Gabadabs ( @Gabadabs@kbin.social ) 23•1 year agoI wouldn’t say that it’s evil, but rather it doesn’t exist for the benefit of players, it exists for the benefit of corporations. They know that it hurts performance in games and prevents a lot of people from playing games that they’ve legitimately purchased, but so long as it’s preventing some piracy they do not care.
chaogomu ( @chaogomu@kbin.social ) 18•1 year agoExcept it doesn’t prevent any piracy. Pirates strip the DRM away within hours or days, and then the game runs better for the pirates than the paying customers.
So, you have a small window of the game being “protected” but that’s the same window that people on the fence ab out the game wouldn’t have bought it anyway.
idle ( @idle@158436977.xyz ) 11•1 year agoDenovo isnt getting cracked in days. Sure Empress cracks it, but they are doing a handful of games per year. Most games with Denovo are years to never cracked.
Atheran ( @Atheran@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 4•1 year agoMeanwhile, 162 days and counting for dead space.
Doesn’t make me want to buy it, without trying it out first, but saying hours to days for denuvo is…a joke really. Sure there were a couple of games that were cracked in a couple of days, but that’s a handful of them in the last 6 years or so. Most take a long, long time.
Gabadabs ( @Gabadabs@kbin.social ) 4•1 year agoIT doesn’t need to be good at stopping piracy as long as it stops some piracy, or at least as long as they can sweet talk executives into believing it makes a difference.
AnonymousLlama ( @AnonymousLlama@kbin.social ) 3•1 year agoScatter shot approach, they DGAF who gets caught up in the crossfire so long as it makes life harder for pirates
TheElectroness ( @TheElectroness@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year agoThey don’t really care about the effect on pirates, it’s all about being able to sell the illusion of stopping piracy to suit wearing idiots.
Altima NEO ( @altima_neo@lemmy.zip ) English21•1 year agoYeah, tough luck. Every implementation of it that Ive seen always seems to introduce a noticeable performance hit. Meanwhile, you can just liberate the game and not deal with any of that.
seaturtle ( @seaturtle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English5•1 year agoI would hope that’s the case, but as I mentioned in another comment, I’ve actually seen a case where a Denuvo-addled game was cracked, then the cracked version stopped working at some point (seemingly after a certain calendar date or a certain time after installation, because it definitely wasn’t based on in-game progress), necessitating an updated crack.
The game is Shining Resonance Refrain, if you’re curious.
Maybe the new crack actually succeeds at really defeating the DRM? Who knows. (Though I also remember it saying something like you gotta skip a certain cutscene or else it’ll crash. But, let’s say we excuse that.)
zxo ( @zxo@sopuli.xyz ) English19•1 year agoIf a game I want to purchase has Denuvo, I just move on. It shows me that the game publisher doesn’t care as much about their users as they do their own profit. Plus, I also could just play another game that I already have.
🏳️⚧️Reepus🏳️⚧️ ( @ReepusVanguard@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English18•1 year agoYou can’t. Don’t touch my kernal, scary man.
- EremesZorn ( @EremesZorn@beehaw.org ) English17•1 year ago
Well, they’re going to have to try a lot harder to convince me. In fact I don’t think it’s possible for me to see Denuvo as anything but malware.
Marxine ( @Marxine@lemmy.ml ) English15•1 year agoDenuvo only makes me go meet a FitGirl and her friends.
Gatsby ( @Gatsby@lemm.ee ) English2•1 year agoAnd her enemy
HTTP_404_NotFound ( @xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com ) English9•1 year agoYea… sorry, I don’t believe in installing root-kits for playing games.
Especially, when most of the games I play are either single player, or co-op only.
Denuvo anti-tamper does not use rootkits.
Dizzy Devil Ducky ( @AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee ) 6•1 year agoI don’t know about you, but I see and them both as malware when installing any programs/games that might have either of them.
Granixo ( @Granixo@feddit.cl ) English9•1 year agoAside from failing to convince me, they have deepened my own conviction that sound cards are essential to maintaining decent framerates.
gravitywell ( @gravitywell@kbin.social ) 4•1 year agoWhat do sound cards have to do with anything?
Granixo ( @Granixo@feddit.cl ) 1•1 year agoSound cards can literally save your performance when your frame rate is -30FPS
And since we’re talking Denuvo here, i thought it was on topic.