Seems cool, but it’s unfortunate that the project doesn’t seem healthy. Last commit was 5 months ago. Furthermore, its maintainer has even explicitly mentioned that the future of its project is uncertain. At least, we gotta give them credits for being transparent.

I was wondering if VanillaOS would be a good fit for my parents, which actually, it might be. They have very basic needs. All their apps are on Flathub.

Have you considered Endless OS? It’s another atomic distro based on Debian. However, it’s based on the Debian stable instead of Debian unstable. Futhermore, instead of making their own tools (like Vanilla OS has done), Endless OS relies on established ones instead (like libostree, which is also found on Fedora Atomic).

That got a laugh out of me. Thank you! Sleep well ;) !

I couldn’t make sense of that. What’s that?

‘Fun’ times 😂. You do you, fam 😉.

Obviously I can’t force you. You do you. Consider not posting/commenting when you’re drunk ;) .

I’m fine if you will just return to the part found below:

that doesn’t address my point that desktop pc computing for the majority of computers users is on the decline from my completely shitty anecdotal points most normal non tech people I know literally use their phones or tvs as computers.

So you attempt to draw attention to an observation. The observation being that: 30 (or so) years ago, interaction with a ‘computer’ happened mostly in the form of a desktop PC. This was also mostly reserved to those that were techie enough. Contrast that to current day; in which most of us interact with a ‘computer’ (even my (mostly) illiterate grandma), but the desktop PC has been replaced as a main avenue. Instead, their phones have become their go-to ‘computers’.

This is an observation; therefore I can’t disagree with the observation. But what’s the point you want to make using this observation?

Consider going back to it when you’re sober ;) .

I’m on my phone so idk how to do the quotes

Np, fam. FWIW, try on a new line (without quotes) the following:

“>”

This should work.

Yes so what

I hope you’ll notice this time how you’re being dismissive :P .

that doesn’t address my point that desktop pc computing for the majority of computers users is on the decline from my completely shitty anecdotal points most normal non tech people I know literally use their phones or tvs as computers.

So you attempt to draw attention to an observation. The observation being that: 30 (or so) years ago, interaction with a ‘computer’ happened mostly in the form of a desktop PC. This was also mostly reserved to those that were techie enough. Contrast that to current day; in which most of us interact with a ‘computer’ (even my (mostly) illiterate grandma), but the desktop PC has been replaced as a main avenue. Instead, their phones have become their go-to ‘computers’.

This is an observation; therefore I can’t disagree with the observation. But what’s the point you want to make using this observation?

Wow now who’s being dismissive?

If I do an honest attempt to explain why 1 + 1 = 2 and you don’t get/see/understand it, then I’m just being sensible by moving on; especially, as you’re drunk. I’m just betting that you can make sense of it when you’re sober. If you can’t in the morning, then please point out the dissonance and I’ll try a second honest attempt.

I didn’t share any misinformation

Your very first comment contained misinformation. You probs forgot about it.

Regarding the part of the desktop PC going extinct except for specific use cases, -again- I never implied the contrary. You’re now at the point that I started. If you never left your starting point, then consider this the result of miscommunication. I’d argue you were to blame, but I digress.

Thank you for the reply. However, as the length of your writing has increased, you also started to make less sense. If this is due to your drunk posting, then I understand (to a degree). But this makes it very hard for me to engage with ya. Therefore, I’ll try to address your points to the best of my ability. But, note that I’m having a hard time ‘keeping up’ with ya.

when it comes to the average worker they have no choice over what distribution their company school or government uses

So, you’re indulging in some mental gymnastics. I’ll outline it very clearly to ya:

• You (simplified): PCs aren’t used (a lot).
• Me (simplified): Sure, but there are still use cases. Can’t be dismissive just because those don’t apply to you.
• You (simplified): School/work/government doesn’t allow freedom to choose distribution.

The thing is, you are NOT addressing my point. I can simply return it back (without adding much) by reiterating that OP (or whichever Linux-user) just happens to be someone that has a use case for a desktop PC and has the freedom to choose their distro.

the fact of the matter is most broke ass people I know don’t really touch pcs unless their in a specific consumer group(gamers). I’d go as far to say that most people would never touch a desktop pc again if they didn’t need to.

That’s fine. I never argued the contrary, anyways. No idea why you felt the need to bring this up.

I’ve read your comment three times now and you didn’t refute anything I said.

Can’t help ya out with that. I believe I was pretty clear. Consider to use an LLM to explain it to ya. Or return back to it in the morning.

I’m not being dismissive

You are. As you’ve acknowledged yourself earlier, your first comment wasn’t helpful in the slightest. Instead you chose to ‘hate’ on OP for installing Linux.

I just think that this weid evangelism for replacing windows with Linux or whatever the fuck is straight out of the early 2000s when desktop pcs were the main interface people had with computing

It’s fine if you feel that way. You’re the first to bring up Linux proselytizing, though. Neither my intention (nor OPs) was anything like that. You chose to share misinformation on the internet and I called you out on it. Nothing more than that.

Yeah me neither since I barely ever touch a desktop pc

I suppose it’s not required for your work/education or whatever your occupation happens to be. That’s absolutely fine. But this doesn’t warrant being dismissive towards those that have a different situation. Most people that work behind a desk are required to do some work on the PC. The same applies to students.

it’s not the 90s anymore

I wouldn’t be surprised if PC usage has been much higher this past decade compared to the 90s. Therefore, this comment seems very out of touch.

most people are on their phones.

Nothing wrong with that. But most people can be on their phones AND PC usage can still be a lot more that it was in the 90s. There’s no mutual exclusivity at hand. Only if you would gauge how often the PC is used as a device (relative to other computer-like devices) would you see a relative decline for PCs.

99% of Linux users don’t experience ‘random’ boot problems. Ever.

it would be important for fixing bugs, I guess?

I think this is where the sandbox~y nature of Flatpak comes in. It doesn’t really care for the distro-environment, because it creates its own distro-agnostic one; ensuring that software continues to work regardless of the shit-show going on elsewhere.

It is for this and other reasons that some developers vouch for Flatpak.

Honestly, I’m not familiar with the specifics. Can’t help you out further. Wish ya good luck!

I mean, like… To which Manjaro fuckup are they referring?

Obviously, I’m not the author. But if I’d have to guess, their answer would likely be “Yes.”.

Author’s disclaimer:

“Flatpak is NOT a distro, but that’s what Steam reports when it’s running on Flatpak, and Flatpak being distro independent we report it as a separate environment, if that makes sense. Feel free to ignore it if you wish.”

Thanks OP for the clarification!

Unfortunately, I don’t think can I really help ya out here. However, I do wonder: Would a solution involving the (so-called) unsafe browser of Tails satisfy you?

OP, could you please properly vocalize what you actually want/need?

If you don’t know how, consider at least to answer the following:

• Do you need it to be amnesiac? The very thing that defines Tails*.
• What’s wrong with Tor? Is your threat model so paranoid that you (somehow) don’t even trust Tor? Or, are you not in favor of its (relatively) low bandwidth? Or, is privacy and/or security not even a thing you seek after to begin with? Or, at least not beyond what your average distro provides already*.
• What do you intend to do with it? Daily drive it? If so, do you need persistence?
• What does “Tails without Tor reliance” provide/offer you beyond a LiveUSB from any other distro? Or, rather, what do you hope it will provide/offer you?

FWIW, I’m afraid we might be dealing with a classic XY problem. Hopefully I’m just mistaken…

Trivalent, i.e. “a hardened chromium for desktop Linux inspired by Vanadium”. Vanadium, for the uninitiated, is the browser found on GrapheneOS; the most secure and privacy-friendly/conscious OS for phones.

Not OP. But, FWIW, I’ve been daily driving secureblue for over a year now. And it has been wonderful experience.

Note that, by virtue of its superior security model, preconceived knowledge may not translate well. However, if you read its documentation and FAQ, then I’m pretty confident that you should be fine. Thankfully, if something’s not clear or if you’re facing issues, then you’re in good hands through their Discord.