just so this doesn’t overwhelm our front page too much, i think now’s a good time to start consolidating discussions. existing threads will be kept up, but unless a big update comes let’s try to keep what’s happening in this thread instead of across 10.
developments to this point:
- Apollo for Reddit is shutting down
- Reddit is Fun will also shut down
- Reddit CEO (/u/spez) is going to hold a AMA about the API update
- Sync has announced it is shutting down
- ReddPlanet has announced it is shutting down
- Reddit creates an API exemption for noncommercial accessibility apps
- /r/videos is planning to shut down indefinitely, beginning June 11
- A subreddit dedicated to migrating to kbin.social has been closed by Reddit
The Verge is on it as usual, also–here’s their latest coverage (h/t @dirtmayor@beehaw.org):
other media coverage:
Hello. While what Reddit is doing isn’t great, it’s the reality of running a site that’s now owned by venture capital to make some kind of economic return for its owners. Running a site like that isn’t free, and advertising dollars alone are probably not enough to generate the sort of return that its owners are looking for (or even pay for the its costs).
The core issue is twofold: Big Tech has devalued online services to the point where users are inured to not paying for them, and because of this inurement, most users are unwilling to pay for most online services if they don’t seem to be offering a value add. Gaming services like Steam have managed to get their users to pay but that’s because they are offering a service that’s generally superior to piracy, such as immediate downloads, achievements, and other online services. But no one is ever going to pay to use a message board, and I doubt gimmicks like Reddit Gold bring in much money.
Perhaps the future is found in the past - people migrating back to self-hosted message boards - there used to be thousands of these back in the 1990s and 2000s. Some of them were run as small businesses, others were run as hobbyist projects by their owners. But I doubt there’s going to be a mass exodus, and unfortunately, centralization has increasingly become the norm for the Internet.
The thing about it is its not like people were against paying. these apps are willing to pay. I mean, read the Apollo Devs post if you havnt. He has audio recordings and transcripts
https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/
They are just pricing out third-party apps because they dont want them around. The problem is noone is going to sign up for Reddit Gold. They will just use old.reddit.com with a pop up blocker on the desktop. They wont make ad income from them either.
I’m going to say that Big Tech hasn’t devalued online services. They’ve always been devalued. In the days of BBSes, most had both paid and free options. The free users might get bumped when the board was busy but that was it. You were often still able to dial in at all times and do everything on the board.
Honestly, that concept just carried forward. Usenet access was simply part of your internet access payment to your ISP. Free to join. You just needed a free NTP app. Many web forums were the same - completely free to use and maybe there were some ads, donations, or whatnot to help fund the site. Some even used forums as loss leaders - Harmony Central had their main page along with forums. Ditto other sites like Something Awful and Bodybuilding.com.
Right now the short-term is a mix. The reality is that the major jumps have been to Discord, not other forums, or so it seems. Subreddits already have their own Discord servers in many cases and there’s a load of them on top of that. Beyond that, it seems a mixed bag of people trying to find a new home. Talks have varied outside of the Lemmy / Tildes mentions; Fark, Hacker News, City-Data, and various smaller forums.
Seems we’ll be split on to at least a few if not many disparate forums and sites to fill various needs.
Yeah. I imagine most people will continue to use Reddit. I know I plan to, but it’s always good to explore alternatives.
As someone else said, Reddit will die a death of a thousand cuts. The big hits will be the 3rd party apps loss followed by the expected old.reddit.com loss. That said, the majority of users don’t use either of those. I’m seeing some general large site / social media fatigue combined with a lot of mentions of Discord. Given they’ve even got forum channels now, it seems Discord may be one of a few new smaller web forum options like we had in the late early 2000s with the start of software like vBulletin and phpBB. It’s not looking like the Digg to Reddit migration. It’s more the Usenet to web forums migration. Reddit is the Usenet 2.0. We’re now scattering and waiting for the Usenet 3.0 contenders before a new champion is crowned.
undefined> Perhaps the future is found in the past - people migrating back to self-hosted message boards - there used to be thousands of these back in the 1990s and 2000s. Some of them were run as small businesses, others were run as hobbyist projects by their owners. But I doubt there’s going to be a mass exodus, and unfortunately, centralization has increasingly become the norm for the Internet.
I’ve been looking out for message board forums for some time after realizing that they really felt different from modern Reddit. The appeal is definitely there, and will probably convince at least a small percentage of Reddit’s current user base (which would still mean thousands of users) to move to those pastures.
Lucky that lemmy has that nostalgia covered - https://fedibb.ml/
That design brings back to many memories.
I hope it continues to be worked on.
I could see a resurgence of discussion and some real niche communities hiding behind that layout. Perhaps some themes to recreate other old forum styles too.
The issue is that a lot of them died when Reddit became mainstream. Go back to some of the ones still standing - the activity isn’t what it used to be. You see a post every few days on some of them. Why would I post on such sites if no one is going to reply? Might as well post on Reddit lol, where I will get a response within an hour at least.
Very true. I still visit one daily, but that’s really the exception. To complete what we previously said, I guess that instead of 2000s message boards, people will gradually move to Lemmy instances, or other alternatives such as kb.bin. The experience is closer to Reddit, and allows for more conversation potential (threads vs chronological order)
IDK. I think Reddit will survive this controversy. Most people have really short memories. Lemmy’s growing but still doesn’t offer the level of activity that most users are looking for - people don’t want to want hours or days with no replies to their post.
undefined> people don’t want to want hours or days with no replies to their post.
True, but at the same time the people replying to them the most are probably the ones that are going to move away, leaving only an empty land lacking actual value. I wasn’t there when Digg died, but I guess it was a similar process.
Theres a line of popularity that matters, sure, but the % activity of a place is much more important than just sheer numbers
The thing with the digg death was that there was already a Reddit community there; it was smaller perhaps but there would almost always be someone to read your post.
I kind of feel like lemmy combines both of these worlds. It is different but allows for people to self host their small communities while choosing to be a part of the larger network (or not).