I said if becuse you made it sound like if we made things more efficient we could shrink our electricity generation and my point was that as we replace oil with electricity we’re going to need to expand it even if we have maximum insulation to replace what’s currently done with fossil fuels. Joule to joule heat pumps may be four to six times as efficient, but heating still requires a massive amount of energy no matter the form it takes.
When people talk about agriculture oil use, outside of biofuel calculations, they typically mean in fertilizer and pesticides, which honestly don’t matter climate wise.
If we’re just talking about fuel, agricultural equipment is actually some of the easiest to electrify since you always have nice high power three phase all over the place for pumps and irrigation pivots. The only trouble comes from the increasing use of three shift operations during harvest time. All of this still requires a lot more electricity though.
I think you’re genuinely thinking about solutions, but, your knowledge base needs working on.
“fertilizer and pesticides, which honestly don’t matter climate wise”
They honestly do matter very much!
The “climate” isn’t some abstract phenomenon that exists outside of the planet’s ecosystems. Insects are fundamental components of an ecosystem. Insecticides kill insects!
Overuse of fertilizer, both organic and synthetic, runs off the land into rivers and oceans (i.e., more pollution)
Nither of which have anywhere near the impact of say, Diesel fuel consumption on global temperatures. Everything you jest mentioned is an effect on the local environment, not the gobal climate, which is to say what we were talking about.
I said if becuse you made it sound like if we made things more efficient we could shrink our electricity generation and my point was that as we replace oil with electricity we’re going to need to expand it even if we have maximum insulation to replace what’s currently done with fossil fuels. Joule to joule heat pumps may be four to six times as efficient, but heating still requires a massive amount of energy no matter the form it takes.
When people talk about agriculture oil use, outside of biofuel calculations, they typically mean in fertilizer and pesticides, which honestly don’t matter climate wise.
If we’re just talking about fuel, agricultural equipment is actually some of the easiest to electrify since you always have nice high power three phase all over the place for pumps and irrigation pivots. The only trouble comes from the increasing use of three shift operations during harvest time. All of this still requires a lot more electricity though.
@sonori
I think you’re genuinely thinking about solutions, but, your knowledge base needs working on.
“fertilizer and pesticides, which honestly don’t matter climate wise”
They honestly do matter very much!
The “climate” isn’t some abstract phenomenon that exists outside of the planet’s ecosystems. Insects are fundamental components of an ecosystem. Insecticides kill insects!
Overuse of fertilizer, both organic and synthetic, runs off the land into rivers and oceans (i.e., more pollution)
Nither of which have anywhere near the impact of say, Diesel fuel consumption on global temperatures. Everything you jest mentioned is an effect on the local environment, not the gobal climate, which is to say what we were talking about.