Dude, assuming you’re in the US/Canada, none of the land you’re standing on belongs to that country. Meanwhile, Taiwan was ancestrally apart of China for thousands of years and wasn’t colonized.
Let’s have an indigenous tribe want independence and see how the US reacts to it? Oh wait! We already know! And we also know that the PRC has been way more restrained dealing with Taiwan than the US/Canada has been enforcing their stolen land!
Where are you getting this misinformation from? Taiwan has indigenous people still alive there today and speaking their own languages. The Formosan, Taiwanese Austronesians, Yuanzhumin or Gaoshan people. Taiwan is just as colonized as the US/Canada.
They have been politically and societally associated with China since Ancient China
My your own admission, it was the KMT that colonized the island, not the CPC, who has never had a presence on Taiwan (that’s the reason the KMT fled there in the first place). And you… Want to give the KMT total control of the island. Okay…
Let’s keep the goal post where it was at. Both Taiwan, parts of modern day China, and North America has been colonized. North America was actually colonized much earlier.
If you want to make the argument that everyone who isn’t descended from native Americans leave North America, and everyone who is descended from Han Chinese leave Taiwan, make that argument. But that isn’t what you want is it? You want to make some what aboutism argument.
BTW, most Americans are sympathetic to indigenous independence movements. Americans take great pride in their native American population and don’t want to see them extinguished.
BTW, most Americans are sympathetic to indigenous independence movements. Americans take great pride in their native American population and don’t want to see them extinguished.
As someone who lives in occupied Hawaii, please shut the fuck up with your chauvinistic bullshit. Even if liberals were as politically conscious as you think, it doesn’t stop the government from fucking every single native over time and time and time again (I added the extra and time for emphasis because it happens that much you prick), for their own gain. What fucking planet do you live on, because it sure isn’t this one!
and fuck you, you brought the topic to America’s treatment of natives, which makes me viscerally disgusted that you think that the US has ever been fucking nice to them
what the fuck even is this convo, I was attacking your simple point about america’s treatment of natives. I don’t give a shit about China trying to take taiwan. Do you know what a civil war is? Or the fact that (despite the will of some in taiwan) Its government considers itself the true ruling government of China? If Taiwan was actually claiming independence, that’d be another matter, but the fact is that the Republic of China and People’s Republic of China are in a state of civil war, and the existence of one threatens the other. I have sided with the PRC. The ROC can die, and if it was up to me, south korea wouldn’t exist either.
Taiwan is a independent democratic state, with it’s own currency, passport, government, laws and has guns guarding it.
When polled less than 10% want to unify with mainland. They want to keep their freedom. Why do you think they should have their freedom striped from them?
North America was actually colonized much earlier.
Are you referring to the first nations coming over the Bearing land bridge? Because that’s an extremely loose definition of colonialism and would mean literally the entire Earth has been colonized since the beginning of our species.
If you want to make the argument that everyone who isn’t descended from native Americans leave North America, and everyone who is descended from Han Chinese leave Taiwan, make that argument.
Did I say that? Hmm, must have been in a parallel universe because I definitely don’t remember saying that. There’s a difference between saying that the land is stolen and that needs to be reconcilled and saying everyone of a certain race needing to leave. Decolonisation is rarely about making anyone leave, certainly not about making any ethnostates, it chiefly means giving sovereignty and representation to Indigenous governments, which, the KMT is not an Indigenous Taiwanese government and doesn’t give sovereignty to Indigenous Taiwanese people, so how will Taiwan being a country (under KMT rule) be better for Indigenous Taiwanese people again?
(BTW, if someone says that every Han person needs to leave Taiwan or Tibet or whatever, by the same logic, it also means that every Uyghur needs to leave Xinjiang, because they migrated into the region when Chinese people already had a presence there. I love pointing that out to “go away, Han’s!” people and then watching them lose their minds.)
BTW, most Americans are sympathetic to indigenous independence movements. Americans take great pride in their native American population and don’t want to see them extinguished.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, they’re sympathetic riiiiight up until they’re personally affected in any way by giving Indigenous people any sovereignty. Go watch Silver Spook or any of the other actual Indigenous people’s political content and they invariably tell you about how utterly empty the support they get from the rest of the population really are. Shocker, learning about Indigenous people from white people won’t get you an accurate picture of their situation! For more information by actual Indigenous people, visit https://therednation.org/
Actually, it might be worse than not supporting them at all, because you’re apparently no longer allowed to point to colonialism as a source for any Indigenous issues anymore, because “well we like them now! if they’re still suffering, it’s their own fault!” As someone living in Canada, you’d be surprised how many people believe the previous statement unironically.
Dude, assuming you’re in the US/Canada, none of the land you’re standing on belongs to that country. Meanwhile, Taiwan was ancestrally apart of China for thousands of years and wasn’t colonized.
Let’s have an indigenous tribe want independence and see how the US reacts to it? Oh wait! We already know! And we also know that the PRC has been way more restrained dealing with Taiwan than the US/Canada has been enforcing their stolen land!
Where are you getting this misinformation from? Taiwan has indigenous people still alive there today and speaking their own languages. The Formosan, Taiwanese Austronesians, Yuanzhumin or Gaoshan people. Taiwan is just as colonized as the US/Canada.
They have been politically and societally associated with China since Ancient China
My your own admission, it was the KMT that colonized the island, not the CPC, who has never had a presence on Taiwan (that’s the reason the KMT fled there in the first place). And you… Want to give the KMT total control of the island. Okay…
Let’s keep the goal post where it was at. Both Taiwan, parts of modern day China, and North America has been colonized. North America was actually colonized much earlier.
If you want to make the argument that everyone who isn’t descended from native Americans leave North America, and everyone who is descended from Han Chinese leave Taiwan, make that argument. But that isn’t what you want is it? You want to make some what aboutism argument.
BTW, most Americans are sympathetic to indigenous independence movements. Americans take great pride in their native American population and don’t want to see them extinguished.
As someone who lives in occupied Hawaii, please shut the fuck up with your chauvinistic bullshit. Even if liberals were as politically conscious as you think, it doesn’t stop the government from fucking every single native over time and time and time again (I added the extra and time for emphasis because it happens that much you prick), for their own gain. What fucking planet do you live on, because it sure isn’t this one!
The conversation here is about the independent nation of Taiwan. Way to make everything about yourself.
and fuck you, you brought the topic to America’s treatment of natives, which makes me viscerally disgusted that you think that the US has ever been fucking nice to them
That was AgreeableLandscape
It doesn’t matter how many times you bring up America, China is trying to screw over Taiwan.
what the fuck even is this convo, I was attacking your simple point about america’s treatment of natives. I don’t give a shit about China trying to take taiwan. Do you know what a civil war is? Or the fact that (despite the will of some in taiwan) Its government considers itself the true ruling government of China? If Taiwan was actually claiming independence, that’d be another matter, but the fact is that the Republic of China and People’s Republic of China are in a state of civil war, and the existence of one threatens the other. I have sided with the PRC. The ROC can die, and if it was up to me, south korea wouldn’t exist either.
ps: good Riker memes
Taiwan has never claimed to be fucking independent, only you have with your terrible grasp on politics
I swear I thought this site would be better
Taiwan is a independent democratic state, with it’s own currency, passport, government, laws and has guns guarding it.
When polled less than 10% want to unify with mainland. They want to keep their freedom. Why do you think they should have their freedom striped from them?
Are you referring to the first nations coming over the Bearing land bridge? Because that’s an extremely loose definition of colonialism and would mean literally the entire Earth has been colonized since the beginning of our species.
Did I say that? Hmm, must have been in a parallel universe because I definitely don’t remember saying that. There’s a difference between saying that the land is stolen and that needs to be reconcilled and saying everyone of a certain race needing to leave. Decolonisation is rarely about making anyone leave, certainly not about making any ethnostates, it chiefly means giving sovereignty and representation to Indigenous governments, which, the KMT is not an Indigenous Taiwanese government and doesn’t give sovereignty to Indigenous Taiwanese people, so how will Taiwan being a country (under KMT rule) be better for Indigenous Taiwanese people again?
(BTW, if someone says that every Han person needs to leave Taiwan or Tibet or whatever, by the same logic, it also means that every Uyghur needs to leave Xinjiang, because they migrated into the region when Chinese people already had a presence there. I love pointing that out to “go away, Han’s!” people and then watching them lose their minds.)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, they’re sympathetic riiiiight up until they’re personally affected in any way by giving Indigenous people any sovereignty. Go watch Silver Spook or any of the other actual Indigenous people’s political content and they invariably tell you about how utterly empty the support they get from the rest of the population really are. Shocker, learning about Indigenous people from white people won’t get you an accurate picture of their situation! For more information by actual Indigenous people, visit https://therednation.org/
Actually, it might be worse than not supporting them at all, because you’re apparently no longer allowed to point to colonialism as a source for any Indigenous issues anymore, because “well we like them now! if they’re still suffering, it’s their own fault!” As someone living in Canada, you’d be surprised how many people believe the previous statement unironically.