I don’t think isolationism is going to help the Fediverse thrive, or that there are no worthwhile users on Facebook platforms that could be persuaded to come this way if they get to see what it’s like.
Having to deal with toxicity from that would suck, but it’s not as if the Fediverse is this pure untainted land either. Worst comes to worst, instances can defederate them.
I am not saying we should completely isolate us. As I said I open with bridging with other protocols. But I am against fedeting with Facebook because yes we are not a pure land but in comparison to the hell that is Facebook it’s better here.
Defederating with other instances can only do so much if not everyone does it
I think in this discussion people aren’t putting in perspective that Facebook as a platform can suck but that doesn’t mean all their userbase is terrible and ill-intentioned. There’s a lot of different people there that could become good contributors in the Fediverse.
I don’t think we should invite Mark Zuckerberg to get the reins of Lemmy, but if some of the artists at Instagram and Threads decide that Mastodon is worthwhile, that’d be pretty good.
Like I have said in other comment they nowhere near to the hell that facebook has.
Also inviting more toxic people will make situation worse not better
Nowhere near? In absolute numbers you must mean, right? Because there are Fediverse instances that are completely dominated by all kinds of horrible hateful people. Merely looking at some instance blocklists is enough to feel the stench of the radioactive sludge pits of toxicity that are in this ecosystem. Facebook sucks but even its lacking moderation is still better than many instances on the Fediverse.
Of course, I don’t want to invite the toxic people, though some might come regardless, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to just treat it like it’s all toxic people. The good people who still use Facebook and Instagram also outnumber the entire Fediverse as well.
While that is true, these instances are completely blocked that their comment very rarely leak in to the other instances. But Facebook is not blocking those people, want them to exist, to spread hatred and controversy and they will definitely fill the fediverse. So do not care of the good people outnumber the whole fediverse I do want see these shitty people here.
I don’t think isolationism is going to help the Fediverse thrive, or that there are no worthwhile users on Facebook platforms that could be persuaded to come this way if they get to see what it’s like.
Having to deal with toxicity from that would suck, but it’s not as if the Fediverse is this pure untainted land either. Worst comes to worst, instances can defederate them.
I am not saying we should completely isolate us. As I said I open with bridging with other protocols. But I am against fedeting with Facebook because yes we are not a pure land but in comparison to the hell that is Facebook it’s better here.
Defederating with other instances can only do so much if not everyone does it
I think in this discussion people aren’t putting in perspective that Facebook as a platform can suck but that doesn’t mean all their userbase is terrible and ill-intentioned. There’s a lot of different people there that could become good contributors in the Fediverse.
I don’t think we should invite Mark Zuckerberg to get the reins of Lemmy, but if some of the artists at Instagram and Threads decide that Mastodon is worthwhile, that’d be pretty good.
No we take that into perspective but the good does not outweigh the damage that all the toxic people will do.
The Fediverse has no lack of toxic people, entire toxic instances, and we can handle them just fine.
Like I have said in other comment they nowhere near to the hell that facebook has.
Also inviting more toxic people will make situation worse not better
Nowhere near? In absolute numbers you must mean, right? Because there are Fediverse instances that are completely dominated by all kinds of horrible hateful people. Merely looking at some instance blocklists is enough to feel the stench of the radioactive sludge pits of toxicity that are in this ecosystem. Facebook sucks but even its lacking moderation is still better than many instances on the Fediverse.
Of course, I don’t want to invite the toxic people, though some might come regardless, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to just treat it like it’s all toxic people. The good people who still use Facebook and Instagram also outnumber the entire Fediverse as well.
While that is true, these instances are completely blocked that their comment very rarely leak in to the other instances. But Facebook is not blocking those people, want them to exist, to spread hatred and controversy and they will definitely fill the fediverse. So do not care of the good people outnumber the whole fediverse I do want see these shitty people here.
Well, I do care about the good people. And I want the to come to the Fediverse.