The mods there have decided to allow underage looking content, skirting close to CP. Unless we want such disgusting stuff on our feed, I think we should defederate from that instance.
if this is indeed the case, then this is really the only valid reason to defederate. if it’s literally illegal to federate, then it’s understandable what must be done. otherwise? no.
If something is truly harmful it should be illegal. and if it is illegal, it’s grounds to defederate. if something is not illegal and there’s no need to make it illegal, then it’s fine.
actual child porn is something that causes harm, and thus should be illegal, and thus grounds for defederation.
loli/shota are not child porn. these are words that apply to adults. if loli/shota content OF ADULTS is indeed banned in poland, and kbin is in poland and subject to those laws, then it’s understandable that defederation has to occur.
Something tells me though, that adult loli/shota content isn’t actually banned in poland. anti loli idiots have been trying to declare it’s cp for years now and they’re just wrong.
[Polish penal code] Article 202 § 4b penalizes the production, dissemination, presentation, storage or possession of pornographic content depicting the created or processed image of a minor under the age of 18 participating in a sexual activity.
I can’t say I know too much about it, but I was pretty sure shota was almost entirely dependent on one of the characters being in grade school or early middle school?
“Loli” can be ambiguous, but I think here it’s pretty clear it’s meant to refer to drawn characters with bodies typical of around the age of 10-13.
I don’t quite know where doujinshi of characters like Betty from Re:Zero would fall, since she’s established as quite old but also childlike in appearance and behavior.
but I was pretty sure shota was almost entirely dependent on one of the characters being in grade school or early middle school?
nope. loli/shota don’t refer to age.
“Loli” can be ambiguous, but I think here it’s pretty clear it’s meant to refer to drawn characters with bodies typical of around the age of 10-13.
incorrect, some loli characters can have physically mature adult bodies.
yes, some loli characters can appear childlike, these are banned from lemmynsfw. some loli characters can appear as adults or ambiguously adults, these are allowed on lemmynsfw.
technically dbzer0 doesn’t break any laws, and neither does lemmynsfw lmfao. people crying “it’s illegal” are just wrong. and if you want to go the illegal route, then look at how dprk bans self-hosting, or how the middle east bans lgbt and atheist topics. should we defederate with any instance that has an lgbt or atheist group, due to those being illegal in the middle east?
Ernest is Polish, and the server is in Germany. Which, for what it’s worth, is another reason why any Nazi shit also needs to to be blocked at the server level, too.
Yes. that’s the main reason I did not opened an account on lemmy or their instances (I’ve been searching a reddit alternative way before the API debacle happened)
lol why even bother with a federated service if you wanna defederate from everyone and have particular strict moderation in a singular style? just go join a regular site at that point?
alternatively you can start your own instance if you feel the existing ones aren’t federating in the way you’d like.
I did not found a regular reddit alternative. (Well, yes, I found one, tildes, but the owner requires people beg for invitations via mail, and I’m not going to do that)
No. Kbin is Polish, I think
Yes, the developer of /kbin is Polish.
Lolicon is illegal in Poland.
if this is indeed the case, then this is really the only valid reason to defederate. if it’s literally illegal to federate, then it’s understandable what must be done. otherwise? no.
So in your mind the only valid reason to not serve child porn to your users is if you happen to be subject to the laws of Poland at the time?
Comments like this alone make me want to leave kbin.
If something is truly harmful it should be illegal. and if it is illegal, it’s grounds to defederate. if something is not illegal and there’s no need to make it illegal, then it’s fine.
actual child porn is something that causes harm, and thus should be illegal, and thus grounds for defederation.
loli/shota are not child porn. these are words that apply to adults. if loli/shota content OF ADULTS is indeed banned in poland, and kbin is in poland and subject to those laws, then it’s understandable that defederation has to occur.
Something tells me though, that adult loli/shota content isn’t actually banned in poland. anti loli idiots have been trying to declare it’s cp for years now and they’re just wrong.
It takes like 2 minutes to look up.
loli/shota do not refer to an age, and lemmynsfw has stated that they ban nsfw images of minors and those who appear underage.
I can’t say I know too much about it, but I was pretty sure shota was almost entirely dependent on one of the characters being in grade school or early middle school?
“Loli” can be ambiguous, but I think here it’s pretty clear it’s meant to refer to drawn characters with bodies typical of around the age of 10-13.
I don’t quite know where doujinshi of characters like Betty from Re:Zero would fall, since she’s established as quite old but also childlike in appearance and behavior.
nope. loli/shota don’t refer to age.
incorrect, some loli characters can have physically mature adult bodies.
yes, some loli characters can appear childlike, these are banned from lemmynsfw. some loli characters can appear as adults or ambiguously adults, these are allowed on lemmynsfw.
We should defederate from https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com instread of celebrate it, piracy is illegal like, worldwide
So what illegal things should be supported in kbin and which don’t?
technically dbzer0 doesn’t break any laws, and neither does lemmynsfw lmfao. people crying “it’s illegal” are just wrong. and if you want to go the illegal route, then look at how dprk bans self-hosting, or how the middle east bans lgbt and atheist topics. should we defederate with any instance that has an lgbt or atheist group, due to those being illegal in the middle east?
Ernest is Polish, and the server is in Germany. Which, for what it’s worth, is another reason why any Nazi shit also needs to to be blocked at the server level, too.
It’s ok to block Nazi shit. Nazi ideology hurts real life people after all
beehaw’s ideology hurts real life people as well. should we defederate from them?
Yes. that’s the main reason I did not opened an account on lemmy or their instances (I’ve been searching a reddit alternative way before the API debacle happened)
lol why even bother with a federated service if you wanna defederate from everyone and have particular strict moderation in a singular style? just go join a regular site at that point?
alternatively you can start your own instance if you feel the existing ones aren’t federating in the way you’d like.
I did not found a regular reddit alternative. (Well, yes, I found one, tildes, but the owner requires people beg for invitations via mail, and I’m not going to do that)
Saidit is running on the old reddit code. Squabbles also exists.