Should we replace democracy with science? spiderwort ( @spiderwort@lemm.ee ) Asklemmy@lemmy.ml • 5 months ago message-square29fedilinkarrow-up113
arrow-up113message-squareShould we replace democracy with science? spiderwort ( @spiderwort@lemm.ee ) Asklemmy@lemmy.ml • 5 months ago message-square29fedilink
minus-square neidu2 ( @neidu2@feddit.nl ) linkfedilink58•5 months agoShould we replace bees with mathematics? Those two aren’t exactly valid substitutes for each other.
minus-square livus ( @livus@kbin.social ) linkfedilink3•5 months agoI would much rather this than OP’s proposal.
minus-square spiderwort ( @spiderwort@lemm.ee ) OPlinkfedilink2•edit-25 months agoOoh look the monkeys like that one. Funny bees! Think of them as 2 methods for determining policy. Sorry for the confusion.
minus-square Hegar ( @Hegar@kbin.social ) linkfedilink20•5 months ago Think of them as 2 methods for determining policy They’re not though. Democracy is a strategy some states use to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of the populace. Science is a method for producing knowledge. Policy is determined by the financial interests of our elites, our global imperial interests, and the form of our bureaucratic institutions. Democracy, science and policy are three very distinct domains.
minus-square spiderwort ( @spiderwort@lemm.ee ) OPlinkfedilink1•5 months agoThey’re also spelled differently, aha!
minus-square livus ( @livus@kbin.social ) linkfedilink4•5 months ago@spiderwort could you give me some concrete examples. I can see it with a few things but not others. How does science determine: abortion laws your nation’s stance on Israel marriage’s effect on taxes individual custody disputes animal cruelty laws
minus-square spiderwort ( @spiderwort@lemm.ee ) OPlinkfedilink1•5 months agoObserve, model, propose policies… run simulations even Plain ol science
minus-square livus ( @livus@kbin.social ) linkfedilink4•5 months agoI’m trying to keep an open mind here but so far, you’re being too vague to be persuasive. Observe what exactly? Model what? Propose what kind of policies based on what assumptions and which goals? Obviously I know what science is. I just don’t see how it applies here. Observe what exactly? If you’re designing an experiment you know what results you’re interested in and what implications the research has. Seriously, pick one thing from my list above and talk me through how you would use pure science to formulate policy?
Should we replace bees with mathematics? Those two aren’t exactly valid substitutes for each other.
I would much rather this than OP’s proposal.
Ooh look the monkeys like that one. Funny bees!
Think of them as 2 methods for determining policy. Sorry for the confusion.
They’re not though.
Democracy is a strategy some states use to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of the populace. Science is a method for producing knowledge.
Policy is determined by the financial interests of our elites, our global imperial interests, and the form of our bureaucratic institutions.
Democracy, science and policy are three very distinct domains.
They’re also spelled differently, aha!
@spiderwort could you give me some concrete examples. I can see it with a few things but not others. How does science determine:
abortion laws
your nation’s stance on Israel
marriage’s effect on taxes
individual custody disputes
animal cruelty laws
Observe, model, propose policies… run simulations even
Plain ol science
I’m trying to keep an open mind here but so far, you’re being too vague to be persuasive.
Observe what exactly?
Model what?
Propose what kind of policies based on what assumptions and which goals?
Obviously I know what science is. I just don’t see how it applies here.
Observe what exactly? If you’re designing an experiment you know what results you’re interested in and what implications the research has.
Seriously, pick one thing from my list above and talk me through how you would use pure science to formulate policy?