Yeah, bad shit like lifting millions out of abject poverty, passing the hump on emissions, producing 80 percent of the world’s solar, focusing on mutual economic benefit instead of imperialism like the NATO bloc, etc etc
As a product they can sell. Let’s not pretend like this has some altruistic motivation.
focusing on mutual economic benefit
In fact, the BRI is trapping numerous countries in unsustainable levels of debt. At the same time, bilateral trade, though often increasing after the conclusion of a deal, remains one-sided, where China extracts resources for exports but imports cheap finished goods of questionable quality that undermine local manufacturers.
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India has repeatedly said it will not join BRI because it does not offer a level playing ground to the country’s businesses.
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Sorry, which part of what you wrote is relevant to the bad shit that China has done?
instead of imperialism like the NATO bloc, etc etc
Let’s stay on topic. If you want to discuss NATO, we can do that after.
OK, so China has looked out for its own interests and created an economic advantage for a fraction of its own population.
800 million people being lifted out of poverty is a massive achievement. How dare the evil communists do good things because it keeps them popular for some reason /s
And yet, still the largest source of methane emission.
As a product they can sell. Let’s not pretend like this has some altruistic motivation.
Making solar cheaper and selling it to people who would otherwise use fossil fuels is good actually.
In fact, the BRI is trapping numerous countries in unsustainable levels of debt. At the same time, bilateral trade, though often increasing after the conclusion of a deal, remains one-sided, where China extracts resources for exports but imports cheap finished goods of questionable quality that undermine local manufacturers. reference
You didn’t read this critically, if you did you’d see some of their sources being guardian articles that are like “some people are concerned about how much money China is loaning out” which doesn’t really prove anything. If you look at their history of debt forgiveness you’d realize this rhetoric is just projection from IMF ghouls.
India has repeatedly said it will not join BRI because it does not offer a level playing ground to the country’s businesses. reference
Okay? They’re free to do protectionism for local bourgeois industry. You’ll note China hasn’t sailed ships into their harbors and insisted with rifles, unlike the Europeans.
Let’s stay on topic. If you want to discuss NATO, we can do that after.
Imperialism is the main contradiction of our era. China presenting a viable alternative to US/European hegemony and helping to usher in a multipolar world is a major accomplishment that will improve global wellbeing.
Let’s stay on topic. If you want to discuss NATO, we can do that after.
Imperialism is the main contradiction of our era. China presenting a viable alternative to US/European hegemony and helping to usher in a multipolar world is a major accomplishment that will improve global wellbeing.
You’re not capable of having a rational, on-topic discussion in good faith. You want to play stupid games with moving goalposts, so we’re done.
Honestly it sounds like you’re just coping by suggesting this argument:
Imperialism is the main contradiction of our era. China presenting a viable alternative to US/European hegemony and helping to usher in a multipolar world is a major accomplishment that will improve global wellbeing.
Isn’t:
Rational- it is, the argument is based on an understanding of anticolonial and multipolar theory. If you’d like to learn Id suggest starting off with “wretched of the earth” and “imperialism the highest stage of capitalism” before moving on to more modern stuff
On topic- you were complaining about China doing bad shit without getting into specifics, I said “yeah, like (examples of massive accomplishments)” and then I mentioned that they were helping erode a unipolar imperialist system. I think helping to erode a unipolar imperialist system is a big accomplishment and fits into the topic.
Good faith- I don’t see how I’ve given any indication that I’m not being earnest in my beliefs.
Moving goalposts- i really don’t know how to respond to this, where do you think I initially placed them, and where do you think I moved them to?
You want to talk about methane emissions? Let’s talk about underreported methane emissions.
As you we’ll know, natural gas has been the most significant contributor to the US’ emissions reductions in recent years. Natural gas use has skyrocketed, supplanting coal because of its “50% reduction in CO2 emissions.” This is true at the consumption point, but what’s often forgotten is that methane, CH4, is small and leaky, and methane is a much worse GHG than CO2 (~80x worse over 20 years).
What does that mean? A 1.25% leakage rate for methane over the entire extraction/distribution process would double methane’s GHG effect. What’s a realistic leakage rate, then? Well…
Remember that natural gas makes up the most significant part of the US electricity supply (as well as a significant portion of primary energy for heating and industrial applications). Draw conclusions appropriately.
The US is significantly underreporting it’s own methane emissions.
Edit: in case it wasn’t clear, natural gas is methane
Your info is out of date, now the cia is pushing “cultural genocide” because “genocide” was remarkably uncredible. Remember the delegations of Muslim countries to the region?
Hong Kong was a British colony that is part of mainland China. They’re Chinese. Integrating them into the wider system is a step in erasing the legacy of colonialism in China.
black-bagging dissidents
Literally name a country that doesn’t do this lol. Here in the US local police have off the books torture and indefinite detention facilities
Your info is out of date, now the cia is pushing “cultural genocide” because “genocide” was remarkably uncredible. Remember the delegations of Muslim countries to the region?
Incredible if you believe tankie news sources, maybe?
Hong Kong was a British colony that is part of mainland China. They’re Chinese. Integrating them into the wider system is a step in erasing the legacy of colonialism in China.
Integrating…by force. Sounds like they are continuing the legacy of colonialism to me. “They’re Chinese” lol, they were perfectly happy existing with their freedoms intact. But I guess the CCP feels that they own all the Chinese people and have a right to subjugate them?
Literally name a country that doesn’t do this lol. Here in the US local police have off the books torture and indefinite detention facilities
There’s a difference between rogue behavior at a local scale and official policy at a country-wide scale.
taiwan is literally chinese, they say they are china. stop inserting your opinion on geopolitics when you havent even read the country’s wikipedia page. can you even point it out on a map?
Oh you are challenging the wrong person on this one bub. Can you point out Grenada? How about Marshall Islands? Nauru? Kiribati (pronounced like Gilbert’s), Comoros? How about where Japan ends and Russia begins?
Sun Tzu says don’t underestimate your opponent. Pretty sound advice.
The people of Taiwan disagree with your sentiment. Some think that the ROC is the true government of China, others think that Taiwan and China are now two separate countries, but, go figure, officially saying so would instigate a hostile reaction from the PRC.
So it seems that they’re under a bit of duress to acquiesce to the PRC line, no?
You have an interesting way of seeing the world - strict names claim geography ideology.
So by your definition, which Congo is the real Congo? Or should the US own all of the Americas? Or perhaps the reverse, China gives up Tibet and Inner Mongolia then? Or maybe we should extrapolate to the absurd, all lands named after saints are now owned by the Vatican?
Bring the countrywide facial recognition camera systems!
Bring the social credit system!
Bring every service to online-only with facial recognition authentication required!
Bring the Chinese way of life!
I want so much to be controlled by the party! I want to throw away every possibility of my privacy, and my freedoms, and of others also included!
China good!
I mean, I’m near to having to say this anyway, as the controlling corrupt right wing party is heavily importing the Chinese-life to our eastern European country.
Yeah, bad shit like lifting millions out of abject poverty, passing the hump on emissions, producing 80 percent of the world’s solar, focusing on mutual economic benefit instead of imperialism like the NATO bloc, etc etc
OK, so China has looked out for its own interests and created an economic advantage for a fraction of its own population.
And yet, still the largest source of methane emission.
As a product they can sell. Let’s not pretend like this has some altruistic motivation.
Sorry, which part of what you wrote is relevant to the bad shit that China has done?
Let’s stay on topic. If you want to discuss NATO, we can do that after.
Technically true. 800M is indeed a (large) fraction
Typical western chauvinist pointing to china’s emissions when most of his treats get produced there. Never mind checking per Capita numbers
Yeah it’s not altruism, but I don’t see anyone else producing the amount of solar that is needed to stop climate change
800 million people being lifted out of poverty is a massive achievement. How dare the evil communists do good things because it keeps them popular for some reason /s
Wow, I bet China hasn’t thought about that. https://dialogue.earth/en/climate/what-does-chinas-new-methane-plan-mean-for-the-climate/#:~:text=Implementation is key&text=For example%2C the plan requires,and exceed 85%25 by 2030.
Making solar cheaper and selling it to people who would otherwise use fossil fuels is good actually.
You didn’t read this critically, if you did you’d see some of their sources being guardian articles that are like “some people are concerned about how much money China is loaning out” which doesn’t really prove anything. If you look at their history of debt forgiveness you’d realize this rhetoric is just projection from IMF ghouls.
Okay? They’re free to do protectionism for local bourgeois industry. You’ll note China hasn’t sailed ships into their harbors and insisted with rifles, unlike the Europeans.
Imperialism is the main contradiction of our era. China presenting a viable alternative to US/European hegemony and helping to usher in a multipolar world is a major accomplishment that will improve global wellbeing.
You’re not capable of having a rational, on-topic discussion in good faith. You want to play stupid games with moving goalposts, so we’re done.
Honestly it sounds like you’re just coping by suggesting this argument:
Isn’t:
Rational- it is, the argument is based on an understanding of anticolonial and multipolar theory. If you’d like to learn Id suggest starting off with “wretched of the earth” and “imperialism the highest stage of capitalism” before moving on to more modern stuff
On topic- you were complaining about China doing bad shit without getting into specifics, I said “yeah, like (examples of massive accomplishments)” and then I mentioned that they were helping erode a unipolar imperialist system. I think helping to erode a unipolar imperialist system is a big accomplishment and fits into the topic.
Good faith- I don’t see how I’ve given any indication that I’m not being earnest in my beliefs.
Moving goalposts- i really don’t know how to respond to this, where do you think I initially placed them, and where do you think I moved them to?
sigh
You want to talk about methane emissions? Let’s talk about underreported methane emissions.
As you we’ll know, natural gas has been the most significant contributor to the US’ emissions reductions in recent years. Natural gas use has skyrocketed, supplanting coal because of its “50% reduction in CO2 emissions.” This is true at the consumption point, but what’s often forgotten is that methane, CH4, is small and leaky, and methane is a much worse GHG than CO2 (~80x worse over 20 years).
What does that mean? A 1.25% leakage rate for methane over the entire extraction/distribution process would double methane’s GHG effect. What’s a realistic leakage rate, then? Well…
Stanford estimates 9% leakage over the Permian Basin
The EDF estimates methane leakage to be 3.75x to 8x worse than the EPA estimate of 1.2%
Remember that natural gas makes up the most significant part of the US electricity supply (as well as a significant portion of primary energy for heating and industrial applications). Draw conclusions appropriately.
The US is significantly underreporting it’s own methane emissions.
Edit: in case it wasn’t clear, natural gas is methane
Now if only they could do all that stuff without committing genocide, crushing Hong Kong, black-bagging dissidents, etc etc
Your info is out of date, now the cia is pushing “cultural genocide” because “genocide” was remarkably uncredible. Remember the delegations of Muslim countries to the region?
Hong Kong was a British colony that is part of mainland China. They’re Chinese. Integrating them into the wider system is a step in erasing the legacy of colonialism in China.
Literally name a country that doesn’t do this lol. Here in the US local police have off the books torture and indefinite detention facilities
Incredible if you believe tankie news sources, maybe?
Integrating…by force. Sounds like they are continuing the legacy of colonialism to me. “They’re Chinese” lol, they were perfectly happy existing with their freedoms intact. But I guess the CCP feels that they own all the Chinese people and have a right to subjugate them?
There’s a difference between rogue behavior at a local scale and official policy at a country-wide scale.
“They’re Chinese” sounds a great way to “liberate” the people’s of Taiwan, Bhutan and Singapore from their current democratic shackles.
taiwan is literally chinese, they say they are china. stop inserting your opinion on geopolitics when you havent even read the country’s wikipedia page. can you even point it out on a map?
Oh you are challenging the wrong person on this one bub. Can you point out Grenada? How about Marshall Islands? Nauru? Kiribati (pronounced like Gilbert’s), Comoros? How about where Japan ends and Russia begins?
Sun Tzu says don’t underestimate your opponent. Pretty sound advice.
The people of Taiwan disagree with your sentiment. Some think that the ROC is the true government of China, others think that Taiwan and China are now two separate countries, but, go figure, officially saying so would instigate a hostile reaction from the PRC.
So it seems that they’re under a bit of duress to acquiesce to the PRC line, no?
Oh no! Not the DPP party line!
The DPP, known as the government where MPs steal bills they don’t want passed. Yay.
ROC is ‘Republic of China’. That means they think they are Chinese. USE YOUR BRAIN
You have an interesting way of seeing the world - strict names claim geography ideology.
So by your definition, which Congo is the real Congo? Or should the US own all of the Americas? Or perhaps the reverse, China gives up Tibet and Inner Mongolia then? Or maybe we should extrapolate to the absurd, all lands named after saints are now owned by the Vatican?
Being Chinese does not mean the CCP owns them.
Yay! Go China go!
Bring the countrywide facial recognition camera systems!
Bring the social credit system!
Bring every service to online-only with facial recognition authentication required!
Bring the Chinese way of life!
I want so much to be controlled by the party! I want to throw away every possibility of my privacy, and my freedoms, and of others also included!
China good!
I mean, I’m near to having to say this anyway, as the controlling corrupt right wing party is heavily importing the Chinese-life to our eastern European country.