Why are far right party known for focusing on flashy symbolic attacks over protecting its citizens the one that is integral to the resistance and not the State of Palestinian they oppose or the social democratic Fatal party Hamas imprisoned, executed, or expelled upon taking control in 2007? How is replacing one violent far right theocracy with another going to lead to liberation and peace?
The enemy of my enemy is my enemies enemy, nothing more and nothing less.
this is not “replacing one far right theocracy with another”! and i fucking dare you to say this shit while looking in the eyes of the people the illegal entity is currently genociding.
“israel” is a fascist, settler-colonial and genocidal tumor that needs to be removed, while hamas is right in fighting for the liberation of the palestinian people and against the occupation.
hamas is also being supported by the communist pflp, a resistance group that has historically been supported by the ussr among others. on the other hand al-fatah has been collaborating with the criminal zionist regime since the 1993 oslo accords. this lead to them losing mass support and the palestinian people electing hamas in 2006.
that shit about hamas tactics being supposedly ineffective is just refrigerated fascist “israeli” propaganda. hasbara are liars and should not be trusted. the german nazists were spreading the same misinformation about the partisans in belarus and other parts of the heroic soviet union.
also:
for us who are determined to break the back of colonialism, our historic mission is to authorize every revolt, every desperate act, and every attack aborted or drowned in blood.
Right, we got 3.02 percent more of the vote, and thusly were totaly justified in immediately having the opposing candidates arrested, executed, and expelled.
And yes, you do kind of have to negotiate with the enemy forces from time to time from time to time instead of declaring that there can be no peace until all traces of you’re far larger and more heavily armed neighbor have been ethnically cleansed from the region, but go on and explain how lobbing RPGs directly into your enemies interceptor array at a time when you can scarcely feed your own people is an incredibly effective use of resources that was sure to result in the complete military collapse of Isreal.
Or how the self described Sunni Islamic fundamentalists are really left wing because occasionally the far left PFLP supports them in trying to get Isreal out of Palestine.
Do you also support Bibi Netanyahu, as he is also a far fight religious leader who has done more damage to Isreal’s settler-colonial project in one year than Hamas has achieved in nearly two decades of control over Gaza?
your post is honestly so fucking deranged i dont even know how to respond to it.
you are such a smug disgusting little hasbara concern-trolling genocide-apologizing little piece of shit. you are sitting on your fucking privileged western ass believing that you are some sort of enlightened messiah capable of talking down to the heroic resistance on the ground in palestine.
the thing is that you dont have the right to talk about shit!
for me, one either supports the resistance against western imperialism, the main enemy of humanity, or one us a moral degenerate only worthy of being beaten to death with a stick.
if there is a salvageable ounce of humanity left in you, please read some communist perspective on palestinian resistance
I’m sorry but you’ll have to clarify how you got it in your head that I was a fucking genocide apologist just because I brought up the other groups of Palestinians who have not just fought against the ethic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide Isreal has been responsible for, but unlike Hamas have achieved victories against Israel that materially benefited and liberated some of the Palestinian people.
And I’m sorry I didn’t realize that apparently no one who lived outside of Gaza and the West Bank was allowed to talk about, advocate, or protest for their support and liberation, but I guess for someone who clearly lives in Palestine any outside support should be given without question to anyone who claims to be working for its liberation, no matter how tenuous the claim may be. Don’t know why your positing on an English language forum if you are outraged that people outside of Palestine talk about the genocide Isreal is commiting there though?
All i’ve done to start this conversation is suggest advocating for other groups of Palestinians who have been fighting their whole lives for the liberation of their nation from Isreal’s tyranny in another way, and who have demonstrably met with far more success than Hama’s in doing so.
I’m sorry that violence has evidently been a part of your life in Palestine for so long that you can’t see nonviolent resistance as being worthy of even consideration, but I am heartened that so much of the Palestinian people in the West Bank do understand it and have been able to leverage nonviolent resistance into real if small victories against the genocide.
Throwing away good lives away in utterly pointless symbolic attempts to defeat a potentially nuclear armed state like Israel by shear brute force has not and will never lead to a victory to a tiny citystate like Gaza, and to propose it as the only solution is to help Isreal hide and distract from the efforts to oppose the occupation which have met with some actual degree of success.
I have never said that I could broker peace in the middle east, but it cannot be forgotten that historically far more wars and ethnic conflicts have ended in the negotiations and compromise, especially when it is the militarily weaker power that needs the concessions.
I’m not the one saying that all state violence is good so long as the people doing it say it is directed at my enemies, and that anyone advocating an alternative to state violence is as you say ‘a moral degenerate worthy only of being beaten to death with a stick’.
The cycle of violence can by definition only end if one side is willing to rise against it, and that side sure isn’t going to be the fascists currently genociding Gaza. I’m sorry if the prospective of the many movements that have successfully thrown off the chains of imperialism through collective action and support rather than military might comes off as too smug or preachy to you, but I honestly think that no other option can end the Israeli occupation and violence.
I just hope someday you realize that people can oppose state violence in all its forms, instead of unquestionably supporting it when targeted against your political enemies, but especially in cases like this when it’s your side doing it to your own side.
PS: Actually sorry about the edits to this post before you responded, but it’s hard to compose a solid response to such an emotionally charged attack when the app keeps forgetting your drafts and won’t let you view the whole conversation chain.
Why are far right party known for focusing on flashy symbolic attacks over protecting its citizens the one that is integral to the resistance and not the State of Palestinian they oppose or the social democratic Fatal party Hamas imprisoned, executed, or expelled upon taking control in 2007? How is replacing one violent far right theocracy with another going to lead to liberation and peace?
The enemy of my enemy is my enemies enemy, nothing more and nothing less.
this is not “replacing one far right theocracy with another”! and i fucking dare you to say this shit while looking in the eyes of the people the illegal entity is currently genociding.
“israel” is a fascist, settler-colonial and genocidal tumor that needs to be removed, while hamas is right in fighting for the liberation of the palestinian people and against the occupation.
hamas is also being supported by the communist pflp, a resistance group that has historically been supported by the ussr among others. on the other hand al-fatah has been collaborating with the criminal zionist regime since the 1993 oslo accords. this lead to them losing mass support and the palestinian people electing hamas in 2006.
that shit about hamas tactics being supposedly ineffective is just refrigerated fascist “israeli” propaganda. hasbara are liars and should not be trusted. the german nazists were spreading the same misinformation about the partisans in belarus and other parts of the heroic soviet union.
also:
frantz fanon, the wretched of the earth
Right, we got 3.02 percent more of the vote, and thusly were totaly justified in immediately having the opposing candidates arrested, executed, and expelled.
And yes, you do kind of have to negotiate with the enemy forces from time to time from time to time instead of declaring that there can be no peace until all traces of you’re far larger and more heavily armed neighbor have been ethnically cleansed from the region, but go on and explain how lobbing RPGs directly into your enemies interceptor array at a time when you can scarcely feed your own people is an incredibly effective use of resources that was sure to result in the complete military collapse of Isreal.
Or how the self described Sunni Islamic fundamentalists are really left wing because occasionally the far left PFLP supports them in trying to get Isreal out of Palestine.
Do you also support Bibi Netanyahu, as he is also a far fight religious leader who has done more damage to Isreal’s settler-colonial project in one year than Hamas has achieved in nearly two decades of control over Gaza?
your post is honestly so fucking deranged i dont even know how to respond to it.
you are such a smug disgusting little hasbara concern-trolling genocide-apologizing little piece of shit. you are sitting on your fucking privileged western ass believing that you are some sort of enlightened messiah capable of talking down to the heroic resistance on the ground in palestine.
the thing is that you dont have the right to talk about shit!
for me, one either supports the resistance against western imperialism, the main enemy of humanity, or one us a moral degenerate only worthy of being beaten to death with a stick.
if there is a salvageable ounce of humanity left in you, please read some communist perspective on palestinian resistance
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I’m sorry but you’ll have to clarify how you got it in your head that I was a fucking genocide apologist just because I brought up the other groups of Palestinians who have not just fought against the ethic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide Isreal has been responsible for, but unlike Hamas have achieved victories against Israel that materially benefited and liberated some of the Palestinian people.
And I’m sorry I didn’t realize that apparently no one who lived outside of Gaza and the West Bank was allowed to talk about, advocate, or protest for their support and liberation, but I guess for someone who clearly lives in Palestine any outside support should be given without question to anyone who claims to be working for its liberation, no matter how tenuous the claim may be. Don’t know why your positing on an English language forum if you are outraged that people outside of Palestine talk about the genocide Isreal is commiting there though?
All i’ve done to start this conversation is suggest advocating for other groups of Palestinians who have been fighting their whole lives for the liberation of their nation from Isreal’s tyranny in another way, and who have demonstrably met with far more success than Hama’s in doing so.
I’m sorry that violence has evidently been a part of your life in Palestine for so long that you can’t see nonviolent resistance as being worthy of even consideration, but I am heartened that so much of the Palestinian people in the West Bank do understand it and have been able to leverage nonviolent resistance into real if small victories against the genocide.
Throwing away good lives away in utterly pointless symbolic attempts to defeat a potentially nuclear armed state like Israel by shear brute force has not and will never lead to a victory to a tiny citystate like Gaza, and to propose it as the only solution is to help Isreal hide and distract from the efforts to oppose the occupation which have met with some actual degree of success.
I have never said that I could broker peace in the middle east, but it cannot be forgotten that historically far more wars and ethnic conflicts have ended in the negotiations and compromise, especially when it is the militarily weaker power that needs the concessions.
I’m not the one saying that all state violence is good so long as the people doing it say it is directed at my enemies, and that anyone advocating an alternative to state violence is as you say ‘a moral degenerate worthy only of being beaten to death with a stick’.
The cycle of violence can by definition only end if one side is willing to rise against it, and that side sure isn’t going to be the fascists currently genociding Gaza. I’m sorry if the prospective of the many movements that have successfully thrown off the chains of imperialism through collective action and support rather than military might comes off as too smug or preachy to you, but I honestly think that no other option can end the Israeli occupation and violence.
I just hope someday you realize that people can oppose state violence in all its forms, instead of unquestionably supporting it when targeted against your political enemies, but especially in cases like this when it’s your side doing it to your own side.
PS: Actually sorry about the edits to this post before you responded, but it’s hard to compose a solid response to such an emotionally charged attack when the app keeps forgetting your drafts and won’t let you view the whole conversation chain.