• Every two years, 99% of voters here in the US choose to put their stamp of approval on capitalism. Then they inexplicably clutch their pearls when capitalists do capitalist things, as if it’s somehow shocking.

    Looks like public pressure brought a positive outcome in this case, so that’s something, but this is the stuff you should consider when voting for the two ruling parties.

    • Hey, look at that. It’s the inevitable consequence of the game theory of first past the post voting. Voting system reform is my #1 issue, and if you actually care about the fact that “99% of voters” are locked into voting for someone they dislike to avert disaster every 4 years, it should be yours as well.

      There is no meaningful future for third parties until and unless this occurs. IRV is a good first step, but Score voting is better. Multimember districts are also important. Getting rid of the electoral college is a no-brainer.

    • While agree with the sentiment, electorialism will never end capitalism because of the power imbalance where capitalists will spend all their money if they need to for heavy propaganda campaigns in favour of capitalism.

      Your energy is better spent on small scale organising your workplace, to make sure that you and your coworkers can actually use the only leverage you have through strikes.

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        In a two-party system, you’re throwing away your vote that could get Harris instead of Trump elected for not even a blip on the radar. This is at best pointless grandstanding.

        Edit: Decided to read a little into her. She’s nothing but a spoiler candidate, meant to syphon voters away from Harris, just like Stein. Cherry on top: Apologia for China and North Korea and funding from China, which alone should motivate any decent human being to avoid her like the plague: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_De_la_Cruz_2024_presidential_campaign#Criticism

            • I’m asking a legitimate question here.

              We can look back at the last 40 years, but the last 20 in particular, when Democrats were handed a mandate not once but twice.

              And they’ve used that power to make us poorer, not wealthier.

              So how exactly are you not throwing your vote away voting Harris or Trump, given that we can look at recent history and infer exactly what they’re going to do once elected?

              I could vote Harris, but my eighty year-old parents are still going to have to drive for DoorDash, in the car I lent them, and if they can’t Harris or Trump will gladly allow their monied friends to take everything away from them. You and I both know it, so all of the discussion about ‘throwing your vote away’ just rings very hollow to me. My vote is already worthless, at least as concerns the Federal Government.

              • OK, I’ll bite.

                Trump will be worse for marginalized people, trans folks in particular. Harris has a history of supporting LGBTQIA+ rights.

                Trump will be worse for Palestine (and has said as much). Harris has at least entertained a cease fire.

                Trump, despite the lies that he utters, will make every move to implement Project 2025, which will destroy any semblance of democracy. Harris won’t do that.

                I am so sick of the bosthsideism bullshit. Just because they are both bad, does not mean one isn’t dramatically worse. This election is going to be close, and as shitty as it is, the US is a 2 party system. Third parties do not have a chance with the current electoral system.

                If you want that to change, you have start local and work up the chain. Not voting or voting third party is pointless until there is a change in system, and that starts locally.

                • If you want that to change, you have start local

                  You’re partly right.

                  The only power we have now is local, unless you’re a billionaire or willing to commit a terrorist act, both of which do not apply to me. You can always do good with your own two hands, but we can look at the last two decades and conclude correctly and definitively that voting for either major party is throwing your vote away, at least if you’re a wage earner.

                  The thing is, fascism’s already here for most. Abortion is criminalized in part of the country and will soon be criminalized in most of it, and it happened with Democrats in power. A vast majority of Americans have to work 2-3 jobs to survive now, and it happened while Democrats were in charge. If you have a major injury or illness, you will be bankrupted, and that remains true no matter who we elect. If you’re a person of color, a police officer can kill you at will and there won’t be any meaningful blowback to the police system, and not only did it happen under Democrats, Joe Biden mocked the defund movement in a SOTU speech.

                  It seems most people want to give credit to Democrats for what they say. I’m giving them credit for what they actually do.

    • The amusing thing about the people who complain that capitalists are the root of all problems, they don’t make an effort to correct it.

      Take the situation of this story. If your ideals are pure and would have the popular support of a critical mass of people, there is absolutely not one thing preventing the establishment of a company, chartered as a public good corporation, and ran as a non-profit entity to provide these kind of material goods for people at cost, or if someone is willing to subsidise the production even less so if you like. You could even get the seed money from a crowd sourced campaign, or so called ‘angel investors’ no strings attached, no ownership stakes to distribute.

      • they don’t make an effort to correct it.

        An interesting take, but nevertheless, an incorrect one. The individual vote has no power to make significant change at the Federal level unless they’re a billionaire or willing to commit an act of terrorism. (Both of which don’t apply to either of us, I imagine.)

        • A vote is a vote, but that’s not the solution I spoke of. Rather than trying to push people to disengage or vote 3rd party, neither of which will make any meaningful difference to the situation (even in the million to one chance some 3rd party did get elected, they’re a politician and will do politician things), why not take the situation into your own hands and create the company run by someone who won’t behave like a capitalist?

          Create the next Google, but you can be the one who really follows the “don’t be evil” mantra and in the process usurp the throne from the capitalists who have gone wrong. Once that is done you have the ability to simply hand the reigns over to anyone working there and walk away knowing the problem of that particular market is now solved.