I’m not saying it was a good thing, I’m saying it’s what the rest of the world wanted the US to do. After all the accusations of imperialism and global hegemony &etc., the US military finally packed up and left, even though this outcome with the Taliban was fully predictable.
So now what, the US should go back and fix it? Occupy Afghanistan again?
While it is true that American-made vehicles, weapons, and other supplies have fallen into the Taliban’s hands, the value of this equipment has been wildly exaggerated as rumors and memes circulated on social media.
No, I mean we spend a decade forming and training a formal afghan military specifically to prevent the taliban from taking over the country, and they folded in less than 48 hours
So it’s an either - or question? Life is that black and white for you? Offering nothing but baited questions? Well, then… I guess I’m the fool for commenting!
In this case, pretty much. The Taliban do not negotiate and do not honor agreements made in negotiations. Oh, they’ll happily sit down at a table with you and tell you anything you want to hear, and accept any concessions you want to give them, but they won’t do what they’ve said. After the US pulled out and the Taliban took over they super promised that they wouldn’t oppress women again:
Zabihullah Mujahid, the Taliban’s longtime spokesman, emerged from the shadows Tuesday in his first-ever public appearance to address those concerns at a news conference.
He promised the Taliban would honor women’s rights within the norms of Islamic law, without elaborating.
the Taliban have issued more than eighty edicts targeting the twenty million women and girls who make up just short of 50 percent of Afghanistan’s population. Women and girls face draconian restrictions in public life, namely, on education, employment, access to the justice system, and activities and travel outside the home.
The Taliban traffic women as slaves, just as they did when they were in power before. They are not going to be convinced to suddenly start respecting women according to western ideals about equality through any sort of political pressure. If you want to stop the Taliban’s oppression of women, the only option is to remove them from power.
As far as I know, my no western country has diplomatic relations with the Taliban regime, and there are sanctions in place and conditions attached to aid. What else would you want the West to be doing?
No disagreement that the fascists in the west are taking notes, of course.
But the first part of your post implies that nobody is doing anything. I responded to that.
Frankly, I am actually at a loss at what else could be done and it’s heartbreaking. The taliban are inventing a whole new type of apartheid at the heels of decades of western intervention. Russia just recognized them and seems to be the only country able to engage them. I got nothing but impotent rage.
Frankly, I am actually at a loss at what else could be done and it’s heartbreaking.
Yeah, I don’t think any of the typical political or economic pressure tactics will have any effect on the Taliban. The only thing that will end the oppression of women in Afghanistan right now is a direct military intervention to remove the Taliban from authority, followed by a sustained presence long enough to substantially change the culture. A new generation would need to be born and grow up with a different value structure that treats women as equals (so like, 50 years minimum). And that means running the country’s public institutions, rewriting its laws, enforcing justice and re-educating/indoctrinating its population, which is morally ambiguous at best.
I don’t think there is enough united global will to support that, and it’s an ethical minefield of one culture imposing its beliefs on another (which has some nasty parallels with the imperialist/colonialist days). There’s no fix that doesnt involve violence that I can see.
No, your post starts with the implication that “the west” is not doing anything about the oppression of women in Afghanistan and doesn’t care:
The only sound you’ll hear from the west […]
To properly address the point you’re trying to make, it’s necessary to address the premise first… to begin at the beginning, as it were. If you can’t justify your premise, then your conclusion doesn’t hold water.
So what is it that you think “the west” is not doing, that it could or should be doing?
The only sound you’ll hear from the west is the American GOP chrstiofascists furiously scribbling notes…
You say that, but the sound the west heard from everybody for a long time was “get out of Afghanistan”.
Now that that’s done, you want what? That we should go back and occupy it again?
Leaving Afghanistan was just freely letting the Taliban do whatever they want, how is that a good thing?
I’m not saying it was a good thing, I’m saying it’s what the rest of the world wanted the US to do. After all the accusations of imperialism and global hegemony &etc., the US military finally packed up and left, even though this outcome with the Taliban was fully predictable.
So now what, the US should go back and fix it? Occupy Afghanistan again?
We gave them a whole fucking army?
This is not really true:
No, I mean we spend a decade forming and training a formal afghan military specifically to prevent the taliban from taking over the country, and they folded in less than 48 hours
That’s a hot take.
So it’s an either - or question? Life is that black and white for you? Offering nothing but baited questions? Well, then… I guess I’m the fool for commenting!
In this case, pretty much. The Taliban do not negotiate and do not honor agreements made in negotiations. Oh, they’ll happily sit down at a table with you and tell you anything you want to hear, and accept any concessions you want to give them, but they won’t do what they’ve said. After the US pulled out and the Taliban took over they super promised that they wouldn’t oppress women again:
And of course, we know what they’ve actually done:
The Taliban traffic women as slaves, just as they did when they were in power before. They are not going to be convinced to suddenly start respecting women according to western ideals about equality through any sort of political pressure. If you want to stop the Taliban’s oppression of women, the only option is to remove them from power.
As far as I know, my no western country has diplomatic relations with the Taliban regime, and there are sanctions in place and conditions attached to aid. What else would you want the West to be doing?
Ok, I think you may have misread my post.
What my post means is that the GOP is taking notes on how to oppress women more.
But don’t actually read it, just post your preloaded agenda.
No disagreement that the fascists in the west are taking notes, of course.
But the first part of your post implies that nobody is doing anything. I responded to that.
Frankly, I am actually at a loss at what else could be done and it’s heartbreaking. The taliban are inventing a whole new type of apartheid at the heels of decades of western intervention. Russia just recognized them and seems to be the only country able to engage them. I got nothing but impotent rage.
Yeah, I don’t think any of the typical political or economic pressure tactics will have any effect on the Taliban. The only thing that will end the oppression of women in Afghanistan right now is a direct military intervention to remove the Taliban from authority, followed by a sustained presence long enough to substantially change the culture. A new generation would need to be born and grow up with a different value structure that treats women as equals (so like, 50 years minimum). And that means running the country’s public institutions, rewriting its laws, enforcing justice and re-educating/indoctrinating its population, which is morally ambiguous at best.
I don’t think there is enough united global will to support that, and it’s an ethical minefield of one culture imposing its beliefs on another (which has some nasty parallels with the imperialist/colonialist days). There’s no fix that doesnt involve violence that I can see.
Your post indicates that any other coutry or faction will say nothing about this. Hence silence.
Dont know why youre upset about someone pointing that out.
No, your post starts with the implication that “the west” is not doing anything about the oppression of women in Afghanistan and doesn’t care:
To properly address the point you’re trying to make, it’s necessary to address the premise first… to begin at the beginning, as it were. If you can’t justify your premise, then your conclusion doesn’t hold water.
So what is it that you think “the west” is not doing, that it could or should be doing?