She has some criticisms for her past as an attorney, but I’m not sure why she’s so disliked now. What has she done to engender such distaste from the public?

  • Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.

    It’s reductive, but look at the Christian Right and Trump. Trump is nowhere close to the picture of a Christian. It’s astounding he can safely cross the threshold of a church. But he promises to make sure abortion is illegal and men can’t pretend to be women to steal kids, so they vote for him. Replace the abortion issue with guns and you get another set of voters who will vote Republican regardless of what they might personally feel.

    Meanwhile and to your point on the left, each candidate’s worst flaws are held as some kind of uncrossable line by people who are terminally online (which isn’t helpful) and the Democratic Party does what they can to feed this and make sure they don’t have to enact meaningful change. They just want to maintain the status quo but they get to do it with a pride flag waving behind them. If the Party establishment would just stop putting a thumb on the scale (not just against Bernie but ANYONE remotely progressive/left of the neoliberal center) and let the primary process shake out the most popular candidate, they might actually find themselves winning elections.

      •  coolin   ( @coolin@beehaw.org ) 
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        I don’t really think compulsory voting would be that beneficial for democrats. Yes, it may boost them a few points across the board, but my general intuition about the general public is they lean towards democrats but are more socially conservative than you see in online spaces. 2020 is probably the best example: super high turnout yet Dems still clipping by with only a +4 advantage instead of the +10 predicted by looking at far more politically engaged voters.

        • It’s not social stuff. A lot of Americans are socially conservative, but social progressives and social libertarians (live and let live types) together make a clear supermajority. The problem isn’t that Americans are socially conservative, it’s that a large number of people have the notion that Republicans are good for the economy and Democrats are bad for the economy, and that therefore when things are economically rough they should vote in the Republicans. This group of people play a large role in why Congress flips so often.

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            Both are parties are mostly corporate owned so it makes no real difference in quality of life for people so the only way for them to differciate is pointless culture issues.

    • Replace the abortion issue with guns and you get another set of voters who will vote Republican regardless of what they might personally feel.

      The funny part is, Trump suggested to take away guns first, and do due process second - and these 2nd Amendment goobers still voted for him.

    • The DNC doesn’t put their thumb on the scale as much as people like to pretend. The real problem is the under 40 crowd simply not showing up to vote in primaries. There is nothing stopping the same turnout in general elections happening in primaries except people refusing to get off their couches.

      • Bernie was the frontrunner in 2020, and Biden was doing terribly, until the DNC brokered a deal with all of the other candidates to have them simultaneously drop out and endorse Biden.

        In 2016, the DNC had a special fundraising deal with Hillary that funneled joint money directly into her campaign.

        IMO these are good examples of the Democratic establishment internally picking a candidate and throwing their weight behind that candidate. I haven’t seen anything like this from the RNC.

        • Bernie was the frontrunner in 2020, and Biden was doing terribly, until the DNC brokered a deal with all of the other candidates to have them simultaneously drop out and endorse Biden.

          There’s nothing illegal or unethical about that. The party is entitled to support the candidate they think has the best chance of winning, and they were proven right when he got the most votes in history… while Trump got the second most in history. At that point if Bernie were the more popular candidate he should have been able to beat Biden head to head and he didn’t. Because progressive voters talk a good game but are too lazy to actually show up for primaries. You get out of the system what you put into it and believe it or not the DNC doesn’t throw it’s weight behind establishment candidates because they hate progressivism, they do it because progressive voters are historically less reliable. And lo and behold Biden got 19 million votes to Bernie’s 9. This is literally a “prove us wrong” situation with the DNC. Show them a progressive candidate is viable by voting for one. But don’t be surprised when the DNC is prioritizing winning the general election and in doing so is already promoting the candidate they know has the best chance of winning. That’s literally the entire purpose of a party apparatus existing in the first place.

          In 2016, the DNC had a special fundraising deal with Hillary that funneled joint money directly into her campaign.

          Again, nothing wrong with that. Bernie lost because more people voted for Hillary, not because she had more money. She beat him by 4 million votes. 4 million real human beings. Not party elite. Bernie was winning the caucuses, the parts of the primary where regular voters don’t get a say. But when the voters got their turn, they made their choice free of coercion. Bernie had more than 4 million additional supporters easily who sat on the sidelines, watched the outcome, and then complained without ever considering actually participating. I guarantee you that. Feels like about 3 million of them gave me shit daily on Reddit back in 2017 when I said all these same things then. All openly accusing the DNC of rigging the outcome while admitting they didn’t vote in the primary because they refused to register with a party that “rigged” primaries, despite the fact that the accusations of rigging occurred after said primary was over. So I guess being too lazy and jaded to even show up is somehow everyone’s fault but their own.

          I haven’t seen anything like this from the RNC.

          We shouldn’t be emulating the RNC. A fascist authoritarian party that got Trump because they don’t vette their candidates and the party has gone completely insane as a result and the country will never be the same again. Not exactly a glowing example of good outcomes. That’s exhibit A 1 for why a political party exercising some level of discretion over which of their candidates gets the most attention isn’t inherently bad. And believe me, with Trump’s upcoming legal troubles, you’re going to see some pretty heavy scale tipping in favor of DeSantis by next spring.

    • This is mostly right but there’s also a harder element to the social behaviours of the two voting groups. Republicans are happy to play dirty and Democrats always take the high road. Dems don’t seem to mind screwing each other over by meddling with public will in the primaries, why don’t they for once take the gloves off and play at least a little bit of the Repubs game? I can see how this could make it a totally populist nightmare, but that’s what we’re already facing.