Hehe, the actual “old internet” resembles the fediverse of today, it’s what we thought the internet was supposed to be back then. Once corporations found the internet, we got the bullshit we have today.
I’ve been pondering this very reason. It’s compelling for me to make my own instance so I have my own little slice of fediverse to call my own, and have access to the greater picture of it too.
Well if instances keep defederating each other, it does matter. Plus there’s the question of stability. Sure, you could make your account on some tiny niche instance, but what if the guy running it decides he’s had enough and terminates it? What happens to your account, your post history?
If you care about your account and your post history, you’re free to run you own instance. People are also working on mechanisms to sync community subscriptions between accounts, which would at least help the UX navigating multiple accounts. Lemmy also has an API that I’m sure users will be looking to create services to backup your content as well, if something like that doesn’t already exist.
As for defederation, I’m only aware of these major reasons and all of them are legitimate:
Nazis
NSFL/CP
Sourcing illegal content (illegal from the defederating hosts side, and this really lends to the above two as well)
Email is often drawn as something similar to the fediverse. … but if you’ve ever tried to run a small Mailserver, you’ll quickly find that “the big corps” have created a walled garden that’ll keep the “small fish” out.
It’s all based on what the big players view as your “reputation”. This is based on proprietary metrics (usually how many emails you send), but your reputation will determine if the email is delivered or not.
… but the point is that one big corps consolidate and reach the size (in terms of traffic/content) like Hotmail, Gmail, yahoo, etc - they will not hesitate to squeeze out the smaller fediverse fish to force them into paying to use the bigger pond.
Sure, but it’ll be the same story all over again. The big platform will be ruined and the alternative option will be smaller and therefore not as good (since user base directly contributes to quality when it comes to community-based platforms; it’s the users who post all the content, so fewer users = less content).
And then one of the smaller platforms will draw more users because passion is attractive, and the cycle will begin anew.
You can view it as depressing or exciting, I’m choosing exciting. All social media sites are eventually destroyed by their own success, but creation follows destruction. Nothing that’s truly beautiful lasts forever.
More instances will need to spin up. People aren’t used to having choice so it’ll confuse them at first. Same thing with Linux distributions, people aren’t used to having choice so they don’t know how to go about comparing what’s on offer. They’ll accept making choices at the food market, but are too confused when it comes to OS’s and social media, lol.
Hehe, the actual “old internet” resembles the fediverse of today, it’s what we thought the internet was supposed to be back then. Once corporations found the internet, we got the bullshit we have today.
History repeats itself. The fediverse is going to go downhill too once it gets big enough for corporations to notice it. Enjoy it while it lasts.
And users will facilitate that process by glomming on to certain instances thinking that it matters to which they belong
I’ve been pondering this very reason. It’s compelling for me to make my own instance so I have my own little slice of fediverse to call my own, and have access to the greater picture of it too.
Well if instances keep defederating each other, it does matter. Plus there’s the question of stability. Sure, you could make your account on some tiny niche instance, but what if the guy running it decides he’s had enough and terminates it? What happens to your account, your post history?
If you care about your account and your post history, you’re free to run you own instance. People are also working on mechanisms to sync community subscriptions between accounts, which would at least help the UX navigating multiple accounts. Lemmy also has an API that I’m sure users will be looking to create services to backup your content as well, if something like that doesn’t already exist.
As for defederation, I’m only aware of these major reasons and all of them are legitimate:
The only thing a giant corporation could do is muddy the waters, but people who care about the future of Lemmy are working to prevent that https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/fedipact-blocking-meta/
Except the code is open source, no matter how many corps invade the Fediverse, there will always be an option.
Eh, don’t be so sure.
Email is often drawn as something similar to the fediverse. … but if you’ve ever tried to run a small Mailserver, you’ll quickly find that “the big corps” have created a walled garden that’ll keep the “small fish” out.
It’s all based on what the big players view as your “reputation”. This is based on proprietary metrics (usually how many emails you send), but your reputation will determine if the email is delivered or not.
You can find more information here.
… but the point is that one big corps consolidate and reach the size (in terms of traffic/content) like Hotmail, Gmail, yahoo, etc - they will not hesitate to squeeze out the smaller fediverse fish to force them into paying to use the bigger pond.
Sadly … this is just business as usual.
Sure, but it’ll be the same story all over again. The big platform will be ruined and the alternative option will be smaller and therefore not as good (since user base directly contributes to quality when it comes to community-based platforms; it’s the users who post all the content, so fewer users = less content).
And then one of the smaller platforms will draw more users because passion is attractive, and the cycle will begin anew.
You can view it as depressing or exciting, I’m choosing exciting. All social media sites are eventually destroyed by their own success, but creation follows destruction. Nothing that’s truly beautiful lasts forever.
I’m still a little concerned what happens once instances start getting real traffic though.
Same, but I am optimistic that decentralization will lead to better options for dealing with the problems as they happen.
Might be unpolished, but at least it is ours.
More instances will need to spin up. People aren’t used to having choice so it’ll confuse them at first. Same thing with Linux distributions, people aren’t used to having choice so they don’t know how to go about comparing what’s on offer. They’ll accept making choices at the food market, but are too confused when it comes to OS’s and social media, lol.
Too true.
On the plus side, many spurned app-developers seem to be checking out Lemmy and kbin as well.
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Maybe the Fediverse’s logo should be a little animated gif a of a construction worker.
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We should call the fediverse Webrings 2.0
“Webring”… good lord, that takes me back. :)