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QuentinCallaghan ( QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz ) M to Political Memes@lemmy.caEnglish · 11 months ago

The more things change....

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The more things change....

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QuentinCallaghan ( QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz ) M to Political Memes@lemmy.caEnglish · 11 months ago
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  • Bldck ( Bldck@beehaw.org ) 
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    Similar for The Ukraine which means “the frontier” in Russian and evokes the history of Muscovite imperialism over their frontier states

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      For those wondering, Xinjiang, the province controlled by China where the Uyghurs are is named similarly. It literally means “new frontier” in Mandarin.

      Many Uyghurs prefer the name East Turkestan. (But ofc thats heavily repressed by the CCP).

    • CheesyFox ( CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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      The word “Ukraine” itself doesn’t mean anything in russian nor ukrainian, it’s just a name for a state

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        The Ukrainian embassy says that The Ukraine is both grammatically and politically incorrect. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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          but of course. I never said otherwise. it’s your words about it meaning “frontier” in russian is what i was debating, please read my comment again.

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      There’s no such thing as “The” in both Russian and Ukrainian, but what I’ve seen happen is pro-russian people intentionally saying “on (the) Ukraine” (as if “on the edge”) instead of “in Ukraine” to piss people off.

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        Huh. TIL Slavic languages don’t have a definite article.

        So it’s this grammatical mess of Germanic definite articles attached to a Slavic word and the outcome is politically fraught

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