I’ve been feeling a significant amount of sadness at the feeling like I’ve now fully lost the 2 places that were my havens for safety and community during the pandemic (Twitter and Reddit). I mostly disconnected a few weeks/months ago, but this weekend feels like the full, official breakup. I wonder if anyone/everyone else is feeling the same?
Yesterday felt to me like the day Web 2.0 died. It’s actually rather awkward. Web 2.0 devolved into enshittification, Web 3.0 to many looks to be a scam from the outset, and that leaves us with the Fediverse as the most hopeful continuation of what we liked about Web 2.0. But what is the Fediverse? More of the same as Web 2.0? An entirely new thing? I’ve been coming to view the Fediverse as being Web 2.0.1. It’s a bug fix. The corporations controlling Web 2.0 were the problem, not the idea of a more dynamic and interactive web. The solution isn’t strictly speaking Peer 2 Peer solutions, as many people still want a curated and moderated space, so they’re not dealing with a constant onslaught of dicks and nazis they didn’t ask for (I’m sure someday the Peer 2 Peer networks will have a viable solution for that, but for now, they don’t as far as I can tell). But a networked governance structure in which volunteers own the instances and the users have more choice in how their space is moderated seems like a major fix to what we were seeing before, and I think it’s a major benefit for all of us
what is the Fediverse? More of the same as Web 2.0?
Fediverse seems more like it’s bringing us back to Web 1.0, which is a good thing. That was a time when the internet was open and end-users drove the evolution of software—not greedy corporate shareholders.
Absolutely, and the coordination is deeply suspicious. Steve Huffman said he didn’t want to be like Twitter, but then admitted in interview that he’d had several meetings with Elon. u/spez’s nose is brown, and it smells musky.
What’s weirder to me is that it falls right in line with Discord’s less damaging but also controversial changes ahead of their own IPO. The most controversial of which they released on 5/23/23.
… Discord.
Makes me wonder if all of this is on purpose to push web0.
Totally. I was just thinking about how my very specific life circumstances mean that I’m otherwise distracted and handling it pretty well. But if I were in a rough patch right now this situation would be really, really, really hard. I hope the people in that situation are okay and finding new refuge in places like this ❤
it makes me really thankful that spaces like this already exist - even though they’re not nearly as developed/robust as the platforms we’ve left. I imagine playing cards with good company on a lifeboat can be just as fun as playing a PS5 on a cruise ship.
I’ve been feeling a significant amount of sadness at the feeling like I’ve now fully lost the 2 places that were my havens for safety and community during the pandemic (Twitter and Reddit). I mostly disconnected a few weeks/months ago, but this weekend feels like the full, official breakup. I wonder if anyone/everyone else is feeling the same?
Yesterday felt to me like the day Web 2.0 died. It’s actually rather awkward. Web 2.0 devolved into enshittification, Web 3.0 to many looks to be a scam from the outset, and that leaves us with the Fediverse as the most hopeful continuation of what we liked about Web 2.0. But what is the Fediverse? More of the same as Web 2.0? An entirely new thing? I’ve been coming to view the Fediverse as being Web 2.0.1. It’s a bug fix. The corporations controlling Web 2.0 were the problem, not the idea of a more dynamic and interactive web. The solution isn’t strictly speaking Peer 2 Peer solutions, as many people still want a curated and moderated space, so they’re not dealing with a constant onslaught of dicks and nazis they didn’t ask for (I’m sure someday the Peer 2 Peer networks will have a viable solution for that, but for now, they don’t as far as I can tell). But a networked governance structure in which volunteers own the instances and the users have more choice in how their space is moderated seems like a major fix to what we were seeing before, and I think it’s a major benefit for all of us
I’ve been really intrigued by the developments coming from the Web0 / small web train of thought. https://web0.small-web.org/
That’s certainly one way to phrase it. In bright yellow highlighted text.
Fediverse seems more like it’s bringing us back to Web 1.0, which is a good thing. That was a time when the internet was open and end-users drove the evolution of software—not greedy corporate shareholders.
Idk if it’s web 1.0
More like it’s taking the best bits of web 1 and putting them back into web 2, a renaissance if you will.
Maybe a web 1.5?
Absolutely, and the coordination is deeply suspicious. Steve Huffman said he didn’t want to be like Twitter, but then admitted in interview that he’d had several meetings with Elon. u/spez’s nose is brown, and it smells musky.
What’s weirder to me is that it falls right in line with Discord’s less damaging but also controversial changes ahead of their own IPO. The most controversial of which they released on 5/23/23.
… Discord.
Makes me wonder if all of this is on purpose to push web0.
Totally. I was just thinking about how my very specific life circumstances mean that I’m otherwise distracted and handling it pretty well. But if I were in a rough patch right now this situation would be really, really, really hard. I hope the people in that situation are okay and finding new refuge in places like this ❤
it makes me really thankful that spaces like this already exist - even though they’re not nearly as developed/robust as the platforms we’ve left. I imagine playing cards with good company on a lifeboat can be just as fun as playing a PS5 on a cruise ship.
I absolutely love this framing. You’re right.
Same honestly. I regret not connecting with people on Twitter offline more often.