I don’t have much of a problem either way as I don’t think I’ll be engaging in political discussion on this website past this post but it seems like any sort of non-left wing opinions or posts are immediately trashed on here. That’s fine. There’s clearly a more liberal audience here and that’s okay. I just don’t want Lemmy to become a echo chamber for any side and it seems to be that way when it comes to politics already.
Mostly making this post just to drum up discussion as I’m new here.
Edit: Thanks for the rational replies. I was expecting to get lit up for even mentioning this topic lol.
Dumb answer. I don’t care. We shouldn’t tolerate oppression, and we shouldn’t burden ourselves with the need to support them or equivocate. If they want their own communities, they can support that completely on their own (including research on whether they can run their own shit and how) without our help. It’s really fucking easy to just say “nah” and let them figure out whether to trust that answer or not. You’re choosing to shoot yourself (and me, and everyone else) in the foot. How about just don’t.
I think what Dankenstein meant was that there are already today servers dedicated to right wingers (we block them but they exist), not that we should help them or something like that.
Or at least - I think that’s a good faith interpretation.
That’s okay. We don’t have to help them set them up, or find them, or even know they exist. Why is everyone so obsessed with giving reactionaries the IT help they need to setup and grow communities of hate? Doesn’t make any sense at all, TBH.
You go low, we…help you go low.
Again - we’re not helping them. Why do you think we’re helping them? I don’t understand where you got that from - genuinely trying to understand…
Again, why would we help reactionaries discover communities they can become a part of where they are welcomed? Why would we tolerate their existence and their growth? That’s absolutely silly. I don’t “agree with you”, but here’s how you can find communities which do, so you can organize with them to crush me and the people I love. Dumb shit.
@straycatfrump - you are arguing against a point that Lionir is not making. Please assume good faith when engaging with users on Beehaw. Our one rule is: Be(e) Nice.
I’m saying it’s dumb to give the kind of answers people are giving in this post. We should’ve just said “yes, reactionaries are unwelcome” and moved on. It’s not “nice” to help them organize to murder me, so I take exception to you characterizing only MY participation as not being nice.
Many conservatives want to murder me too, but that’s not my takeaway from this thread. Nor are all conservative opinions necessarily hateful - the modern Republican party in the United States has certainly has chosen to center hate, but ideas on how large a government should be, for example, are not necessarily rooted in hate.
I won’t take away your right to point out that the modern right wing party in the US is intolerant and therefore deserving of scorn, but we do need you to assume good faith of other users on Beehaw, especially when considering we are a global website. Feel free to ask questions to get them to show that they are acting in bad faith or report comments which you think are hiding malice.
You are referring to classical conservatism, which died a looooooooooooooong time ago. Those “conservatives” who are seriously concerned about government having too much power over us—i.e. in the oppressive state apparatus composed of policing, military, spying, etc.—are not right-wing. They are leftists. In the sense that Chomsky says he is a “conservative”. The state already has so much power over us that sloughing that off is a revolutionary change, not one of conservation.
So no. That has nothing to do with this conversation. The ones who want to abolish social programs aren’t concerned with “government overreach”. That’s just their propaganda. They just want to discipline, abuse, and torture the working class so that we are docile little wage slaves.